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Formatting Xref net labels

zainka
zainka over 13 years ago

Hi

 

Normally I have used only the text-based net labels on line that goes

from one sheet to another. My wish is to use the XREF option but I am

not comfortable with the format options.

 

My "big" problem is that the signal name for a given net label comes

inside the flag. I would prefer all symbols to be of equal size and to

have the text align on beside of the net flag instead.

 

not like this            but like this

   ______________________          _____

/NETLABEL_SIGNAL_NAME |       /     | NETLABEL_SIGNAL_NAME

  \______________________|        \_____|

 

If not existing as an option already I would recommend to make the order

of the label xref formatting tags relevant (as set in misc menu) to the

result. Se my examples below:

 

                  ________________

%F%N (%S)      / NETLABEL (1)  |

                 \________________|

 

                  _____

%N %F(%S)      / (1) | NETLABEL

                 \_____|

                  _____

%N (%S)%F      /     | NETLABEL (1)

                 \_____|

 

Here everything coming in front of the %F tag ends up outside the flag

and everything after %F ends up inside. The flag symbol would thus have

a minimum size like say 3 letters.

 

Second. Is it possible to have flags indicating direction of a net? I.e.

if signal is in, out or bidirectional. This should be possible to change

with a change command like for example CHANGE DIRECTION or CHANGE FLAG

if not existing as an option already somewhere.

 

input             bi              output

   _______          ______         ______

_/       |       /      \       |      \

  \_______|        \______/       |______/

 

 

NOTE: I asked this as an question in the support forum, but as mentioned

there I would put it here as a suggestion if it was not possible in some

other way already. As far as I can see, it is not, though I am using

glasses....!*

 

Breg

Vidar (Z)

 

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  • CSWalt
    CSWalt over 13 years ago

    Hi,

     

    On 11/19/12 22:49, Vidar (Z) wrote:

    Hi

     

    Normally I have used only the text-based net labels on line that goes

    from one sheet to another. My wish is to use the XREF option but I am

    not comfortable with the format options.

     

    My "big" problem is that the signal name for a given net label comes

    inside the flag. I would prefer all symbols to be of equal size and to

    have the text align on beside of the net flag instead.

     

    not like this            but like this

      ______________________          _____

    /NETLABEL_SIGNAL_NAME |       /     | NETLABEL_SIGNAL_NAME

    \______________________|        \_____|

     

    If not existing as an option already I would recommend to make the order

    of the label xref formatting tags relevant (as set in misc menu) to the

    result. Se my examples below:

     

                     ________________

    %F%N (%S)      / NETLABEL (1)  |

                    \________________|

     

                     _____

    %N %F(%S)      / (1) | NETLABEL

                    \_____|

                     _____

    %N (%S)%F      /     | NETLABEL (1)

                    \_____|

     

    Here everything coming in front of the %F tag ends up outside the flag

    and everything after %F ends up inside. The flag symbol would thus have

    a minimum size like say 3 letters.

     

    Second. Is it possible to have flags indicating direction of a net? I.e.

    if signal is in, out or bidirectional. This should be possible to change

    with a change command like for example CHANGE DIRECTION or CHANGE FLAG

    if not existing as an option already somewhere.

     

    input             bi              output

      _______          ______         ______

    _/       |       /      \       |      \

    \_______|        \______/       |______/

     

    Thanks, but some questions on this:

    - What flags would you set if the net has many (>2) pin connections ?

    - How should it behave is a user has a net with unlogical connections, say input - input ?

    This can cause confusion.

     

    Regards,

    Walter Spermann

     

     

    NOTE: I asked this as an question in the support forum, but as mentioned

    there I would put it here as a suggestion if it was not possible in some

    other way already. As far as I can see, it is not, though I am using

    glasses....!*

     

    Breg

    Vidar (Z)

     

     

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    Tel.: 08635/6989-10

    www.cadsoft.de

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    e14 Contributor over 13 years ago in reply to CSWalt

    I do not care about text OUTSIDE the label frame (it will always stay

    INSIDE for me), but I also would very much like to see in/out/bi labels

    as outlined.

     

    Am 20.11.2012 18:22, schrieb Walter Spermann:

    >> input             bi              output

    >>    _______          ______         ______

    >> _/       |       /      \       |      \

    >>   \_______|        \______/       |______/

    >>

    Thanks, but some questions on this:

      - What flags would you set if the net has many (>2) pin connections ?

     

    The form of the label MUST NOT be set automatically! Please leave it in

    the responsibility of the user to select the appropriate form and make

    the following choices available: INPUT and OUTPUT and BIDIRECTIONAL as

    shown above, and perhaps even RECTANGLE, which is a simple surrounding

    rectangle with no directional information.

     

      - How should it behave is a user has a net with unlogical connections, say input - input ?

     

    As stated above, the label form is NOT changed automatically, and

    therefore, no 'behaviour' is necessary at all. Also, please no ERC

    checks or anything else. Just graphics. Easy to program, no hassles, no

    automatisms.

     

    This can cause confusion.

     

    Without automatisms, confusion won't be possible (other than the user

    labelling nets with the WRONG graphics, but that's the user's fault,

    then, and not CadSoft's).

     

    Andreas Weidner

     

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  • CSWalt
    CSWalt over 13 years ago in reply to e14 Contributor

    Hi,

     

    On 11/21/2012 10:25 AM, Andreas Weidner wrote:

    I do not care about text OUTSIDE the label frame (it will always stay INSIDE for me), but I also would very much like to

    see in/out/bi labels as outlined.

     

    Am 20.11.2012 18:22, schrieb Walter Spermann:

    >>> input bi output

    >>> _______ ______ ______

    >>> _/ | / \ | \

    >>> \_______| \______/ |______/

    >>>

    >> Thanks, but some questions on this:

    >> - What flags would you set if the net has many (>2) pin connections ?

     

    The form of the label MUST NOT be set automatically! Please leave it in the responsibility of the user to select the

    appropriate form and make the following choices available: INPUT and OUTPUT and BIDIRECTIONAL as shown above, and

    perhaps even RECTANGLE, which is a simple surrounding rectangle with no directional information.

     

    >> - How should it behave is a user has a net with unlogical connections, say input - input ?

     

    As stated above, the label form is NOT changed automatically, and therefore, no 'behaviour' is necessary at all. Also,

    please no ERC checks or anything else. Just graphics. Easy to program, no hassles, no automatisms.

    I forgot to mention change package, replace and library update: If the adjacent pins change, the labels

    would have to be adapted. I think choosing a simple solution as you suggest is better here. Thanks.

     

    Walter Spermann

     

    >> This can cause confusion.

     

    Without automatisms, confusion won't be possible (other than the user labelling nets with the WRONG graphics, but that's

    the user's fault, then, and not CadSoft's).

     

    Andreas Weidner

     

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    Softwareentwicklung

    CadSoft Computer GmbH

    Pleidolfweg 15

    84568 Pleiskirchen

    Tel.: 08635/6989-10

    www.cadsoft.de

    -


    Registergericht: Amtsgericht Traunstein HRB 5573

    Geschäftsführer: Thomas Liratsch

    -


     

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    rachaelp over 9 years ago in reply to autodeskguest

    martonmiklos wrote on Mon, 20 February 2017 22:17

    2017-02-15 00:38 keltezéssel, Jorge Garcia írta:

    Hi Jorge,

     

    How about having a way to be able to define our own XREF symbols so

    they

    match how we like to define our own schematics? Simply add a new

    pin type

    in the library editor so we can define a symbol and give it a pin

    with a

    type of XREF which will then allow the part to be placed without

    having a

    corresponding package and will trigger the schematic editor to

    treat it

    like a regular XREF. That would give lots of flexibility I think.

     

    Best Regards,

     

    Rachael

     

     

     

     

    Hello Rachael,

     

    I've added enhancement requests for both suggestions and linked

    them so

    at some point they'll be discussed together.

     

    Thanks for the suggestion.

     

    Let me know if there's anything else I can do for you.

     

    Best Regards,

    Jorge Garcia

     

    Rachael:

    Yeah that would also makes sense. Mentor DxD have had implemented it in

     

    the same way (or at least it was a way to such a symbol if I remember

    well).

     

     

    Yes you might be right. It's been a while since I looked at how I set up

    DxD when I was using it regularly, I don't think it was the way it worked

    with the version I've used but it's likely something they added as I think

    I made a similar suggestion to them back in 2009 when I was using it

    heavily.

     

    I'm hoping that this suggestion is something that they can achieve really

    easily so they can get it implemented without any impact to anything else

    image

     

    Best Regards,

     

    Rachael

     

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    autodeskguest over 9 years ago in reply to autodeskguest

    2017-02-15 00:38 keltezéssel, Jorge Garcia írta:

    Hi Jorge,

     

    How about having a way to be able to define our own XREF symbols so they

    match how we like to define our own schematics? Simply add a new pin type

    in the library editor so we can define a symbol and give it a pin with a

    type of XREF which will then allow the part to be placed without having a

    corresponding package and will trigger the schematic editor to treat it

    like a regular XREF. That would give lots of flexibility I think.

     

    Best Regards,

     

    Rachael

     

     

     

     

    Hello Rachael,

     

    I've added enhancement requests for both suggestions and linked them so

    at some point they'll be discussed together.

     

    Thanks for the suggestion.

     

    Let me know if there's anything else I can do for you.

     

    Best Regards,

    Jorge Garcia

     

    Rachael:

    Yeah that would also makes sense. Mentor DxD have had implemented it in

    the same way (or at least it was a way to such a symbol if I remember well).

     

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    autodeskguest over 9 years ago in reply to rachaelp

    Hi Jorge,

     

    How about having a way to be able to define our own XREF symbols so they

    match how we like to define our own schematics? Simply add a new pin type

    in the library editor so we can define a symbol and give it a pin with a

    type of XREF which will then allow the part to be placed without having a

    corresponding package and will trigger the schematic editor to treat it

    like a regular XREF. That would give lots of flexibility I think.

     

    Best Regards,

     

    Rachael

     

     

     

     

    Hello Rachael,

     

    I've added enhancement requests for both suggestions and linked them so

    at some point they'll be discussed together.

     

    Thanks for the suggestion.

     

    Let me know if there's anything else I can do for you.

     

    Best Regards,

    Jorge Garcia

     

    --

    We have a new forum here <http://forums.autodesk.com>

     

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    autodeskguest over 9 years ago in reply to rachaelp

    Hi Jorge,

     

    How about having a way to be able to define our own XREF symbols so they

    match how we like to define our own schematics? Simply add a new pin type

    in the library editor so we can define a symbol and give it a pin with a

    type of XREF which will then allow the part to be placed without having a

    corresponding package and will trigger the schematic editor to treat it

    like a regular XREF. That would give lots of flexibility I think.

     

    Best Regards,

     

    Rachael

     

     

     

     

    Hello Rachael,

     

    I've added enhancement requests for both suggestions and linked them so

    at some point they'll be discussed together.

     

    Thanks for the suggestion.

     

    Let me know if there's anything else I can do for you.

     

    Best Regards,

    Jorge Garcia

     

    --

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    rachaelp over 9 years ago in reply to autodeskguest

    martonmiklos wrote on Mon, 20 February 2017 22:17

    2017-02-15 00:38 keltezéssel, Jorge Garcia írta:

    Hi Jorge,

     

    How about having a way to be able to define our own XREF symbols so

    they

    match how we like to define our own schematics? Simply add a new

    pin type

    in the library editor so we can define a symbol and give it a pin

    with a

    type of XREF which will then allow the part to be placed without

    having a

    corresponding package and will trigger the schematic editor to

    treat it

    like a regular XREF. That would give lots of flexibility I think.

     

    Best Regards,

     

    Rachael

     

     

     

     

    Hello Rachael,

     

    I've added enhancement requests for both suggestions and linked

    them so

    at some point they'll be discussed together.

     

    Thanks for the suggestion.

     

    Let me know if there's anything else I can do for you.

     

    Best Regards,

    Jorge Garcia

     

    Rachael:

    Yeah that would also makes sense. Mentor DxD have had implemented it in

     

    the same way (or at least it was a way to such a symbol if I remember

    well).

     

     

    Yes you might be right. It's been a while since I looked at how I set up

    DxD when I was using it regularly, I don't think it was the way it worked

    with the version I've used but it's likely something they added as I think

    I made a similar suggestion to them back in 2009 when I was using it

    heavily.

     

    I'm hoping that this suggestion is something that they can achieve really

    easily so they can get it implemented without any impact to anything else

    image

     

    Best Regards,

     

    Rachael

     

    --

    EAGLE support forums at http://www.eaglecentral.ca :: Where the EAGLE community meets.

     

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    autodeskguest over 9 years ago in reply to autodeskguest

    2017-02-15 00:38 keltezéssel, Jorge Garcia írta:

    Hi Jorge,

     

    How about having a way to be able to define our own XREF symbols so they

    match how we like to define our own schematics? Simply add a new pin type

    in the library editor so we can define a symbol and give it a pin with a

    type of XREF which will then allow the part to be placed without having a

    corresponding package and will trigger the schematic editor to treat it

    like a regular XREF. That would give lots of flexibility I think.

     

    Best Regards,

     

    Rachael

     

     

     

     

    Hello Rachael,

     

    I've added enhancement requests for both suggestions and linked them so

    at some point they'll be discussed together.

     

    Thanks for the suggestion.

     

    Let me know if there's anything else I can do for you.

     

    Best Regards,

    Jorge Garcia

     

    Rachael:

    Yeah that would also makes sense. Mentor DxD have had implemented it in

    the same way (or at least it was a way to such a symbol if I remember well).

     

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