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Formatting Xref net labels

zainka
zainka over 13 years ago

Hi

 

Normally I have used only the text-based net labels on line that goes

from one sheet to another. My wish is to use the XREF option but I am

not comfortable with the format options.

 

My "big" problem is that the signal name for a given net label comes

inside the flag. I would prefer all symbols to be of equal size and to

have the text align on beside of the net flag instead.

 

not like this            but like this

   ______________________          _____

/NETLABEL_SIGNAL_NAME |       /     | NETLABEL_SIGNAL_NAME

  \______________________|        \_____|

 

If not existing as an option already I would recommend to make the order

of the label xref formatting tags relevant (as set in misc menu) to the

result. Se my examples below:

 

                  ________________

%F%N (%S)      / NETLABEL (1)  |

                 \________________|

 

                  _____

%N %F(%S)      / (1) | NETLABEL

                 \_____|

                  _____

%N (%S)%F      /     | NETLABEL (1)

                 \_____|

 

Here everything coming in front of the %F tag ends up outside the flag

and everything after %F ends up inside. The flag symbol would thus have

a minimum size like say 3 letters.

 

Second. Is it possible to have flags indicating direction of a net? I.e.

if signal is in, out or bidirectional. This should be possible to change

with a change command like for example CHANGE DIRECTION or CHANGE FLAG

if not existing as an option already somewhere.

 

input             bi              output

   _______          ______         ______

_/       |       /      \       |      \

  \_______|        \______/       |______/

 

 

NOTE: I asked this as an question in the support forum, but as mentioned

there I would put it here as a suggestion if it was not possible in some

other way already. As far as I can see, it is not, though I am using

glasses....!*

 

Breg

Vidar (Z)

 

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    zainka over 10 years ago in reply to autodeskguest

    currently there are no concrete plans. It's in the todo list, but

    with low priority. I will bring this up for V8 again.

    - Direction for xref labels

    - xref for a bus

     

    --

    Mit freundlichen Gruessen / Best regards

    Richard Hammerl

    CadSoft Support -- hotline@cadsoft.de

    FAQ: http://www.cadsoft.de/training/faq/

     

     

    Hello Richard, nice to see that the sugestion has reached the todo list, but with the recent activity in this thread maybe it should be given some higher priority...? Its many years since i first mentioned this and i guess others have had the same thoughts. I still find this as one feature that would really help creating better readability in the schematics.

     

    Now, as beeing part of a developer team with 20 designers (not all designing electrical CADs though but everyone uses them) using eagle, we sometimes discuss features that we miss in an otherwise exemplary eCAD sw (yes I am talking aboute Eagle) the flag-feature as I described it is one feature that is mentioned over and over again. (No... Not by me only , but by others too). Its all about navigation and readability.

     

    I have also an additional feature that would be nice to have implemented to the flag. This is that by clicking on a flag  (double clicking or by alt + cliking or something)  one jumps to the next page in line that has the very same net/flag. A briliant thought if I have to say it myself....This link feature is actually also something that could be implemented into the pdf generator aswell, but I guess this is a plugin an not something Cadsoft is doing by them self.

    Our schematics is used actively by other departments in our facility and by our external customers, so having documentation that is intuitive and easy to follow is a sales argument better than any. And nothing beats a good schematic when you want to tell a great story!

     

     

    Best  regards

    Vidar(Z)

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    autodeskguest over 10 years ago in reply to autodeskguest

    2016-05-13 10:33 keltezéssel, Richard Hammerl írta:

    Am 12.05.2016 um 14:51 schrieb Joern Paschedag:

    Am 12.05.2016 um 09:15 schrieb Morten Leikvoll:

    Just a comment to 1)

    I'd like to have the option for auto direction on this arrow. Since pin

    directions are defined in the devices, eagle can resolve wether the

    segment is connected to some output net, or only input nets, and choose

    direction according to this.

     

    That would be nice image

     

     

    Hi,

     

    currently there are no concrete plans. It's in the todo list, but

    with low priority. I will bring this up for V8 again.

    - Direction for xref labels

    - xref for a bus

     

    Hello Richard,

     

    Just for curiosity: do you have any goal date range about the V8?

     

    Thanks!

     

    However, not everyone is actively using pin directions on their devices

    (the lazy, sloppy and unskilled ones just set them to i/o or pas), so

    maybe there is a need for a manual direction too. The options for arrow

    direction should be:

    -Auto (based on segment pinrefs)

    -in (always pointing toward the end of the wire)

    -out (always pointing away from the end of the wire)

    -bidir (arrow in both directions)

     

    If the direction arrows are done correctly everything is nice.

    However (greetings from orcad) I once had to modify drawings and those

    people gave a damn on correct use of it. I ran into trouble until I

    completely ignored the directions.

    So I'm not  too eager on that, but would be nice to have.

     

     

    With auto, there is also some options for live ERC, like the ability to

    detect and show if the net is missing a driver or double driven by

    multiple outputs.

     

    Finally, I wouldn't mind of the xrefs got split into a new primitive

    called pageconnector, and get an attribute containing ALL the

    references. Also the full list of references should be shown at the

    tooltip on mouseover/hover event.

     

    I don't know if this is practical. Think  of a little project with 15 to

    20 pages and then select "GND"....perhaps it would be better in kind of

    an info line...

     

    It's planned to show the occurences of the net in the info dialog.

     

     

     

    Finally it should be possible to hook it to a bus too.

     

     

     

     

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    autodeskguest over 10 years ago in reply to autodeskguest

    2016-05-13 10:33 keltezéssel, Richard Hammerl írta:

    Am 12.05.2016 um 14:51 schrieb Joern Paschedag:

    Am 12.05.2016 um 09:15 schrieb Morten Leikvoll:

    Just a comment to 1)

    I'd like to have the option for auto direction on this arrow. Since pin

    directions are defined in the devices, eagle can resolve wether the

    segment is connected to some output net, or only input nets, and choose

    direction according to this.

     

    That would be nice image

     

     

    Hi,

     

    currently there are no concrete plans. It's in the todo list, but

    with low priority. I will bring this up for V8 again.

    - Direction for xref labels

    - xref for a bus

     

    Hello Richard,

     

    Just for curiosity: do you have any goal date range about the V8?

     

    Thanks!

     

    However, not everyone is actively using pin directions on their devices

    (the lazy, sloppy and unskilled ones just set them to i/o or pas), so

    maybe there is a need for a manual direction too. The options for arrow

    direction should be:

    -Auto (based on segment pinrefs)

    -in (always pointing toward the end of the wire)

    -out (always pointing away from the end of the wire)

    -bidir (arrow in both directions)

     

    If the direction arrows are done correctly everything is nice.

    However (greetings from orcad) I once had to modify drawings and those

    people gave a damn on correct use of it. I ran into trouble until I

    completely ignored the directions.

    So I'm not  too eager on that, but would be nice to have.

     

     

    With auto, there is also some options for live ERC, like the ability to

    detect and show if the net is missing a driver or double driven by

    multiple outputs.

     

    Finally, I wouldn't mind of the xrefs got split into a new primitive

    called pageconnector, and get an attribute containing ALL the

    references. Also the full list of references should be shown at the

    tooltip on mouseover/hover event.

     

    I don't know if this is practical. Think  of a little project with 15 to

    20 pages and then select "GND"....perhaps it would be better in kind of

    an info line...

     

    It's planned to show the occurences of the net in the info dialog.

     

     

     

    Finally it should be possible to hook it to a bus too.

     

     

     

     

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    autodeskguest over 10 years ago in reply to autodeskguest

    2016-05-13 10:33 keltezéssel, Richard Hammerl írta:

    Am 12.05.2016 um 14:51 schrieb Joern Paschedag:

    Am 12.05.2016 um 09:15 schrieb Morten Leikvoll:

    Just a comment to 1)

    I'd like to have the option for auto direction on this arrow. Since pin

    directions are defined in the devices, eagle can resolve wether the

    segment is connected to some output net, or only input nets, and choose

    direction according to this.

     

    That would be nice image

     

     

    Hi,

     

    currently there are no concrete plans. It's in the todo list, but

    with low priority. I will bring this up for V8 again.

    - Direction for xref labels

    - xref for a bus

     

    Hello Richard,

     

    Just for curiosity: do you have any goal date range about the V8?

     

    Thanks!

     

    However, not everyone is actively using pin directions on their devices

    (the lazy, sloppy and unskilled ones just set them to i/o or pas), so

    maybe there is a need for a manual direction too. The options for arrow

    direction should be:

    -Auto (based on segment pinrefs)

    -in (always pointing toward the end of the wire)

    -out (always pointing away from the end of the wire)

    -bidir (arrow in both directions)

     

    If the direction arrows are done correctly everything is nice.

    However (greetings from orcad) I once had to modify drawings and those

    people gave a damn on correct use of it. I ran into trouble until I

    completely ignored the directions.

    So I'm not  too eager on that, but would be nice to have.

     

     

    With auto, there is also some options for live ERC, like the ability to

    detect and show if the net is missing a driver or double driven by

    multiple outputs.

     

    Finally, I wouldn't mind of the xrefs got split into a new primitive

    called pageconnector, and get an attribute containing ALL the

    references. Also the full list of references should be shown at the

    tooltip on mouseover/hover event.

     

    I don't know if this is practical. Think  of a little project with 15 to

    20 pages and then select "GND"....perhaps it would be better in kind of

    an info line...

     

    It's planned to show the occurences of the net in the info dialog.

     

     

     

    Finally it should be possible to hook it to a bus too.

     

     

     

     

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    2016-05-13 10:33 keltezéssel, Richard Hammerl írta:

    Am 12.05.2016 um 14:51 schrieb Joern Paschedag:

    Am 12.05.2016 um 09:15 schrieb Morten Leikvoll:

    Just a comment to 1)

    I'd like to have the option for auto direction on this arrow. Since pin

    directions are defined in the devices, eagle can resolve wether the

    segment is connected to some output net, or only input nets, and choose

    direction according to this.

     

    That would be nice image

     

     

    Hi,

     

    currently there are no concrete plans. It's in the todo list, but

    with low priority. I will bring this up for V8 again.

    - Direction for xref labels

    - xref for a bus

     

    Hello Richard,

     

    Just for curiosity: do you have any goal date range about the V8?

     

    Thanks!

     

    However, not everyone is actively using pin directions on their devices

    (the lazy, sloppy and unskilled ones just set them to i/o or pas), so

    maybe there is a need for a manual direction too. The options for arrow

    direction should be:

    -Auto (based on segment pinrefs)

    -in (always pointing toward the end of the wire)

    -out (always pointing away from the end of the wire)

    -bidir (arrow in both directions)

     

    If the direction arrows are done correctly everything is nice.

    However (greetings from orcad) I once had to modify drawings and those

    people gave a damn on correct use of it. I ran into trouble until I

    completely ignored the directions.

    So I'm not  too eager on that, but would be nice to have.

     

     

    With auto, there is also some options for live ERC, like the ability to

    detect and show if the net is missing a driver or double driven by

    multiple outputs.

     

    Finally, I wouldn't mind of the xrefs got split into a new primitive

    called pageconnector, and get an attribute containing ALL the

    references. Also the full list of references should be shown at the

    tooltip on mouseover/hover event.

     

    I don't know if this is practical. Think  of a little project with 15 to

    20 pages and then select "GND"....perhaps it would be better in kind of

    an info line...

     

    It's planned to show the occurences of the net in the info dialog.

     

     

     

    Finally it should be possible to hook it to a bus too.

     

     

     

     

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    Am 12.05.2016 um 14:51 schrieb Joern Paschedag:

    Am 12.05.2016 um 09:15 schrieb Morten Leikvoll:

    Just a comment to 1)

    I'd like to have the option for auto direction on this arrow. Since pin

    directions are defined in the devices, eagle can resolve wether the

    segment is connected to some output net, or only input nets, and choose

    direction according to this.

     

    That would be nice image

     

     

    Hi,

     

    currently there are no concrete plans. It's in the todo list, but

    with low priority. I will bring this up for V8 again.

    - Direction for xref labels

    - xref for a bus

     

     

    However, not everyone is actively using pin directions on their devices

    (the lazy, sloppy and unskilled ones just set them to i/o or pas), so

    maybe there is a need for a manual direction too. The options for arrow

    direction should be:

    -Auto (based on segment pinrefs)

    -in (always pointing toward the end of the wire)

    -out (always pointing away from the end of the wire)

    -bidir (arrow in both directions)

     

    If the direction arrows are done correctly everything is nice.

    However (greetings from orcad) I once had to modify drawings and those

    people gave a damn on correct use of it. I ran into trouble until I

    completely ignored the directions.

    So I'm not  too eager on that, but would be nice to have.

     

     

    With auto, there is also some options for live ERC, like the ability to

    detect and show if the net is missing a driver or double driven by

    multiple outputs.

     

    Finally, I wouldn't mind of the xrefs got split into a new primitive

    called pageconnector, and get an attribute containing ALL the

    references. Also the full list of references should be shown at the

    tooltip on mouseover/hover event.

     

    I don't know if this is practical. Think  of a little project with 15 to

    20 pages and then select "GND"....perhaps it would be better in kind of

    an info line...

     

    It's planned to show the occurences of the net in the info dialog.

     

     

     

    Finally it should be possible to hook it to a bus too.

     

     

    --

    Mit freundlichen Gruessen / Best regards

    Richard Hammerl

      CadSoft Support -- hotline@cadsoft.de

      FAQ: http://www.cadsoft.de/training/faq/

     

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    Am 12.05.2016 um 14:51 schrieb Joern Paschedag:

    Am 12.05.2016 um 09:15 schrieb Morten Leikvoll:

    Just a comment to 1)

    I'd like to have the option for auto direction on this arrow. Since pin

    directions are defined in the devices, eagle can resolve wether the

    segment is connected to some output net, or only input nets, and choose

    direction according to this.

     

    That would be nice image

     

     

    Hi,

     

    currently there are no concrete plans. It's in the todo list, but

    with low priority. I will bring this up for V8 again.

    - Direction for xref labels

    - xref for a bus

     

     

    However, not everyone is actively using pin directions on their devices

    (the lazy, sloppy and unskilled ones just set them to i/o or pas), so

    maybe there is a need for a manual direction too. The options for arrow

    direction should be:

    -Auto (based on segment pinrefs)

    -in (always pointing toward the end of the wire)

    -out (always pointing away from the end of the wire)

    -bidir (arrow in both directions)

     

    If the direction arrows are done correctly everything is nice.

    However (greetings from orcad) I once had to modify drawings and those

    people gave a damn on correct use of it. I ran into trouble until I

    completely ignored the directions.

    So I'm not  too eager on that, but would be nice to have.

     

     

    With auto, there is also some options for live ERC, like the ability to

    detect and show if the net is missing a driver or double driven by

    multiple outputs.

     

    Finally, I wouldn't mind of the xrefs got split into a new primitive

    called pageconnector, and get an attribute containing ALL the

    references. Also the full list of references should be shown at the

    tooltip on mouseover/hover event.

     

    I don't know if this is practical. Think  of a little project with 15 to

    20 pages and then select "GND"....perhaps it would be better in kind of

    an info line...

     

    It's planned to show the occurences of the net in the info dialog.

     

     

     

    Finally it should be possible to hook it to a bus too.

     

     

    --

    Mit freundlichen Gruessen / Best regards

    Richard Hammerl

      CadSoft Support -- hotline@cadsoft.de

      FAQ: http://www.cadsoft.de/training/faq/

     

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    Am 12.05.2016 um 14:51 schrieb Joern Paschedag:

    Am 12.05.2016 um 09:15 schrieb Morten Leikvoll:

    Just a comment to 1)

    I'd like to have the option for auto direction on this arrow. Since pin

    directions are defined in the devices, eagle can resolve wether the

    segment is connected to some output net, or only input nets, and choose

    direction according to this.

     

    That would be nice image

     

     

    Hi,

     

    currently there are no concrete plans. It's in the todo list, but

    with low priority. I will bring this up for V8 again.

    - Direction for xref labels

    - xref for a bus

     

     

    However, not everyone is actively using pin directions on their devices

    (the lazy, sloppy and unskilled ones just set them to i/o or pas), so

    maybe there is a need for a manual direction too. The options for arrow

    direction should be:

    -Auto (based on segment pinrefs)

    -in (always pointing toward the end of the wire)

    -out (always pointing away from the end of the wire)

    -bidir (arrow in both directions)

     

    If the direction arrows are done correctly everything is nice.

    However (greetings from orcad) I once had to modify drawings and those

    people gave a damn on correct use of it. I ran into trouble until I

    completely ignored the directions.

    So I'm not  too eager on that, but would be nice to have.

     

     

    With auto, there is also some options for live ERC, like the ability to

    detect and show if the net is missing a driver or double driven by

    multiple outputs.

     

    Finally, I wouldn't mind of the xrefs got split into a new primitive

    called pageconnector, and get an attribute containing ALL the

    references. Also the full list of references should be shown at the

    tooltip on mouseover/hover event.

     

    I don't know if this is practical. Think  of a little project with 15 to

    20 pages and then select "GND"....perhaps it would be better in kind of

    an info line...

     

    It's planned to show the occurences of the net in the info dialog.

     

     

     

    Finally it should be possible to hook it to a bus too.

     

     

    --

    Mit freundlichen Gruessen / Best regards

    Richard Hammerl

      CadSoft Support -- hotline@cadsoft.de

      FAQ: http://www.cadsoft.de/training/faq/

     

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    Am 12.05.2016 um 09:15 schrieb Morten Leikvoll:

    Just a comment to 1)

    I'd like to have the option for auto direction on this arrow. Since pin

    directions are defined in the devices, eagle can resolve wether the

    segment is connected to some output net, or only input nets, and choose

    direction according to this.

     

    That would be nice image

     

     

    However, not everyone is actively using pin directions on their devices

    (the lazy, sloppy and unskilled ones just set them to i/o or pas), so

    maybe there is a need for a manual direction too. The options for arrow

    direction should be:

    -Auto (based on segment pinrefs)

    -in (always pointing toward the end of the wire)

    -out (always pointing away from the end of the wire)

    -bidir (arrow in both directions)

     

    If the direction arrows are done correctly everything is nice.

    However (greetings from orcad) I once had to modify drawings and those

    people gave a damn on correct use of it. I ran into trouble until I

    completely ignored the directions.

    So I'm not  too eager on that, but would be nice to have.

     

     

    With auto, there is also some options for live ERC, like the ability to

    detect and show if the net is missing a driver or double driven by

    multiple outputs.

     

    Finally, I wouldn't mind of the xrefs got split into a new primitive

    called pageconnector, and get an attribute containing ALL the

    references. Also the full list of references should be shown at the

    tooltip on mouseover/hover event.

     

    I don't know if this is practical. Think  of a little project with 15 to

    20 pages and then select "GND"....perhaps it would be better in kind of

    an info line...

     

    Finally it should be possible to hook it to a bus too.

     

    --

    Mit freundlichen Grüßen / With best regards

     

    Joern Paschedag

     

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    Am 12.05.2016 um 09:15 schrieb Morten Leikvoll:

    Just a comment to 1)

    I'd like to have the option for auto direction on this arrow. Since pin

    directions are defined in the devices, eagle can resolve wether the

    segment is connected to some output net, or only input nets, and choose

    direction according to this.

     

    That would be nice image

     

     

    However, not everyone is actively using pin directions on their devices

    (the lazy, sloppy and unskilled ones just set them to i/o or pas), so

    maybe there is a need for a manual direction too. The options for arrow

    direction should be:

    -Auto (based on segment pinrefs)

    -in (always pointing toward the end of the wire)

    -out (always pointing away from the end of the wire)

    -bidir (arrow in both directions)

     

    If the direction arrows are done correctly everything is nice.

    However (greetings from orcad) I once had to modify drawings and those

    people gave a damn on correct use of it. I ran into trouble until I

    completely ignored the directions.

    So I'm not  too eager on that, but would be nice to have.

     

     

    With auto, there is also some options for live ERC, like the ability to

    detect and show if the net is missing a driver or double driven by

    multiple outputs.

     

    Finally, I wouldn't mind of the xrefs got split into a new primitive

    called pageconnector, and get an attribute containing ALL the

    references. Also the full list of references should be shown at the

    tooltip on mouseover/hover event.

     

    I don't know if this is practical. Think  of a little project with 15 to

    20 pages and then select "GND"....perhaps it would be better in kind of

    an info line...

     

    Finally it should be possible to hook it to a bus too.

     

    --

    Mit freundlichen Grüßen / With best regards

     

    Joern Paschedag

     

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