Formatting Xref net labels

Hi,

On 11/19/12 22:49, Vidar (Z) wrote:

Hi

 

Normally I have used only the text-based net labels on line that goes

from one sheet to another. My wish is to use the XREF option but I am

not comfortable with the format options.

 

My "big" problem is that the signal name for a given net label comes

inside the flag. I would prefer all symbols to be of equal size and to

have the text align on beside of the net flag instead.

 

not like this            but like this

  ______________________          _____

/NETLABEL_SIGNAL_NAME |       /     | NETLABEL_SIGNAL_NAME

\______________________|        \_____|

 

If not existing as an option already I would recommend to make the order

of the label xref formatting tags relevant (as set in misc menu) to the

result. Se my examples below:

 

                 ________________

%F%N (%S)      / NETLABEL (1)  |

                \________________|

 

                 _____

%N %F(%S)      / (1) | NETLABEL

                \_____|

                 _____

%N (%S)%F      /     | NETLABEL (1)

                \_____|

 

Here everything coming in front of the %F tag ends up outside the flag

and everything after %F ends up inside. The flag symbol would thus have

a minimum size like say 3 letters.

 

Second. Is it possible to have flags indicating direction of a net? I.e.

if signal is in, out or bidirectional. This should be possible to change

with a change command like for example CHANGE DIRECTION or CHANGE FLAG

if not existing as an option already somewhere.

 

input             bi              output

  _______          ______         ______

_/       |       /      \       |      \

\_______|        \______/       |______/

 

Thanks, but some questions on this:

- What flags would you set if the net has many (>2) pin connections ?

- How should it behave is a user has a net with unlogical connections, say input - input ?

This can cause confusion.

Regards,

Walter Spermann

 

NOTE: I asked this as an question in the support forum, but as mentioned

there I would put it here as a suggestion if it was not possible in some

other way already. As far as I can see, it is not, though I am using

glasses....!*

 

Breg

Vidar (Z)

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I do not care about text OUTSIDE the label frame (it will always stay

INSIDE for me), but I also would very much like to see in/out/bi labels

as outlined.

Am 20.11.2012 18:22, schrieb Walter Spermann:

>> input             bi              output

>>    _______          ______         ______

>> _/       |       /      \       |      \

>>   \_______|        \______/       |______/

>>

Thanks, but some questions on this:

  - What flags would you set if the net has many (>2) pin connections ?

The form of the label MUST NOT be set automatically! Please leave it in

the responsibility of the user to select the appropriate form and make

the following choices available: INPUT and OUTPUT and BIDIRECTIONAL as

shown above, and perhaps even RECTANGLE, which is a simple surrounding

rectangle with no directional information.

  - How should it behave is a user has a net with unlogical connections, say input - input ?

As stated above, the label form is NOT changed automatically, and

therefore, no 'behaviour' is necessary at all. Also, please no ERC

checks or anything else. Just graphics. Easy to program, no hassles, no

automatisms.

This can cause confusion.

Without automatisms, confusion won't be possible (other than the user

labelling nets with the WRONG graphics, but that's the user's fault,

then, and not CadSoft's).

Andreas Weidner

Just a comment to 1)

I'd like to have the option for auto direction on this arrow. Since pin

directions are defined in the devices, eagle can resolve wether the

segment is connected to some output net, or only input nets, and choose

direction according to this.

However, not everyone is actively using pin directions on their devices

(the lazy, sloppy and unskilled ones just set them to i/o or pas), so

maybe there is a need for a manual direction too. The options for arrow

direction should be:

-Auto (based on segment pinrefs)

-in (always pointing toward the end of the wire)

-out (always pointing away from the end of the wire)

-bidir (arrow in both directions)

With auto, there is also some options for live ERC, like the ability to

detect and show if the net is missing a driver or double driven by

multiple outputs.

Finally, I wouldn't mind of the xrefs got split into a new primitive

called pageconnector, and get an attribute containing ALL the

references. Also the full list of references should be shown at the

tooltip on mouseover/hover event.

Finally it should be possible to hook it to a bus too.

On 12.05.2016 00:19, Márton Miklós wrote:

Hello all,

 

Bumping again. After ~2 years...

 

Is there any information about this feature?

Is it planned, not planned, if not why, if yes to which version?

 

Thanks in advance!

--

Miklos Marton

 

2014-03-12 08:48 keltezéssel, vidar vidnes írta:

I think it's time to re-suggest the original request. Also called

"bumping"

 

1) To have the option to change the xref flag direction and shape

           That is: To choose which side the net attaches to the arrow,

and to choose the shape of the flag (in and out are similar, but bidir

needs arrow in both ends)

 

2) One should be able to choose which data to be inside and which to be

outside the flag by using the formatting options position relative to %F

., (Everything AFTER %F is inside the flag)

           thus having the possibility to have equally sized flags all

over the schematic and the variable length text outside the flag.

 

3) Not so important.

      *Flag fontsize must be able to change

      *Flag minimum/maximum size should be possible to be configured by

setting number of characters allowed inside flag

      *Text should be centered along the midline of the flag.

      *wire width the flag is drawn width should be editable

 

And as the years has passed, I see more and more customer drawings which

is designed using different tools which have this feature. And to read

customer drawings where I know the intentional direction by just looking

at the flag makes things a whole lot more simple. Also when discussing a

design with someone which is not so skilled in electronics I see how

much easier it is for them to understand the  designers intention when

having flags that are pointing out the signals direction.

 

Breg

Vidar

 

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Just a comment to 1)

I'd like to have the option for auto direction on this arrow. Since pin

directions are defined in the devices, eagle can resolve wether the

segment is connected to some output net, or only input nets, and choose

direction according to this.

However, not everyone is actively using pin directions on their devices

(the lazy, sloppy and unskilled ones just set them to i/o or pas), so

maybe there is a need for a manual direction too. The options for arrow

direction should be:

-Auto (based on segment pinrefs)

-in (always pointing toward the end of the wire)

-out (always pointing away from the end of the wire)

-bidir (arrow in both directions)

With auto, there is also some options for live ERC, like the ability to

detect and show if the net is missing a driver or double driven by

multiple outputs.

Finally, I wouldn't mind of the xrefs got split into a new primitive

called pageconnector, and get an attribute containing ALL the

references. Also the full list of references should be shown at the

tooltip on mouseover/hover event.

Finally it should be possible to hook it to a bus too.

On 12.05.2016 00:19, Márton Miklós wrote:

Hello all,

 

Bumping again. After ~2 years...

 

Is there any information about this feature?

Is it planned, not planned, if not why, if yes to which version?

 

Thanks in advance!

--

Miklos Marton

 

2014-03-12 08:48 keltezéssel, vidar vidnes írta:

I think it's time to re-suggest the original request. Also called

"bumping"

 

1) To have the option to change the xref flag direction and shape

           That is: To choose which side the net attaches to the arrow,

and to choose the shape of the flag (in and out are similar, but bidir

needs arrow in both ends)

 

2) One should be able to choose which data to be inside and which to be

outside the flag by using the formatting options position relative to %F

., (Everything AFTER %F is inside the flag)

           thus having the possibility to have equally sized flags all

over the schematic and the variable length text outside the flag.

 

3) Not so important.

      *Flag fontsize must be able to change

      *Flag minimum/maximum size should be possible to be configured by

setting number of characters allowed inside flag

      *Text should be centered along the midline of the flag.

      *wire width the flag is drawn width should be editable

 

And as the years has passed, I see more and more customer drawings which

is designed using different tools which have this feature. And to read

customer drawings where I know the intentional direction by just looking

at the flag makes things a whole lot more simple. Also when discussing a

design with someone which is not so skilled in electronics I see how

much easier it is for them to understand the  designers intention when

having flags that are pointing out the signals direction.

 

Breg

Vidar

 

--

To view any images and attachments in this post, visit:

http://www.element14.com/community/message/106051

 

Am 12.05.2016 um 09:15 schrieb Morten Leikvoll:

Just a comment to 1)

I'd like to have the option for auto direction on this arrow. Since pin

directions are defined in the devices, eagle can resolve wether the

segment is connected to some output net, or only input nets, and choose

direction according to this.

That would be nice

 

However, not everyone is actively using pin directions on their devices

(the lazy, sloppy and unskilled ones just set them to i/o or pas), so

maybe there is a need for a manual direction too. The options for arrow

direction should be:

-Auto (based on segment pinrefs)

-in (always pointing toward the end of the wire)

-out (always pointing away from the end of the wire)

-bidir (arrow in both directions)

If the direction arrows are done correctly everything is nice.

However (greetings from orcad) I once had to modify drawings and those

people gave a damn on correct use of it. I ran into trouble until I

completely ignored the directions.

So I'm not  too eager on that, but would be nice to have.

 

With auto, there is also some options for live ERC, like the ability to

detect and show if the net is missing a driver or double driven by

multiple outputs.

 

Finally, I wouldn't mind of the xrefs got split into a new primitive

called pageconnector, and get an attribute containing ALL the

references. Also the full list of references should be shown at the

tooltip on mouseover/hover event.

I don't know if this is practical. Think  of a little project with 15 to

20 pages and then select "GND"....perhaps it would be better in kind of

an info line...

 

Finally it should be possible to hook it to a bus too.

--

Mit freundlichen Grüßen / With best regards

Joern Paschedag

Am 12.05.2016 um 09:15 schrieb Morten Leikvoll:

Just a comment to 1)

I'd like to have the option for auto direction on this arrow. Since pin

directions are defined in the devices, eagle can resolve wether the

segment is connected to some output net, or only input nets, and choose

direction according to this.

That would be nice

 

However, not everyone is actively using pin directions on their devices

(the lazy, sloppy and unskilled ones just set them to i/o or pas), so

maybe there is a need for a manual direction too. The options for arrow

direction should be:

-Auto (based on segment pinrefs)

-in (always pointing toward the end of the wire)

-out (always pointing away from the end of the wire)

-bidir (arrow in both directions)

If the direction arrows are done correctly everything is nice.

However (greetings from orcad) I once had to modify drawings and those

people gave a damn on correct use of it. I ran into trouble until I

completely ignored the directions.

So I'm not  too eager on that, but would be nice to have.

 

With auto, there is also some options for live ERC, like the ability to

detect and show if the net is missing a driver or double driven by

multiple outputs.

 

Finally, I wouldn't mind of the xrefs got split into a new primitive

called pageconnector, and get an attribute containing ALL the

references. Also the full list of references should be shown at the

tooltip on mouseover/hover event.

I don't know if this is practical. Think  of a little project with 15 to

20 pages and then select "GND"....perhaps it would be better in kind of

an info line...

 

Finally it should be possible to hook it to a bus too.

--

Mit freundlichen Grüßen / With best regards

Joern Paschedag

Am 12.05.2016 um 09:15 schrieb Morten Leikvoll:

Just a comment to 1)

I'd like to have the option for auto direction on this arrow. Since pin

directions are defined in the devices, eagle can resolve wether the

segment is connected to some output net, or only input nets, and choose

direction according to this.

That would be nice

 

However, not everyone is actively using pin directions on their devices

(the lazy, sloppy and unskilled ones just set them to i/o or pas), so

maybe there is a need for a manual direction too. The options for arrow

direction should be:

-Auto (based on segment pinrefs)

-in (always pointing toward the end of the wire)

-out (always pointing away from the end of the wire)

-bidir (arrow in both directions)

If the direction arrows are done correctly everything is nice.

However (greetings from orcad) I once had to modify drawings and those

people gave a damn on correct use of it. I ran into trouble until I

completely ignored the directions.

So I'm not  too eager on that, but would be nice to have.

 

With auto, there is also some options for live ERC, like the ability to

detect and show if the net is missing a driver or double driven by

multiple outputs.

 

Finally, I wouldn't mind of the xrefs got split into a new primitive

called pageconnector, and get an attribute containing ALL the

references. Also the full list of references should be shown at the

tooltip on mouseover/hover event.

I don't know if this is practical. Think  of a little project with 15 to

20 pages and then select "GND"....perhaps it would be better in kind of

an info line...

 

Finally it should be possible to hook it to a bus too.

--

Mit freundlichen Grüßen / With best regards

Joern Paschedag

Am 12.05.2016 um 14:51 schrieb Joern Paschedag:

Am 12.05.2016 um 09:15 schrieb Morten Leikvoll:

Just a comment to 1)

I'd like to have the option for auto direction on this arrow. Since pin

directions are defined in the devices, eagle can resolve wether the

segment is connected to some output net, or only input nets, and choose

direction according to this.

 

That would be nice

 

Hi,

currently there are no concrete plans. It's in the todo list, but

with low priority. I will bring this up for V8 again.

- Direction for xref labels

- xref for a bus

However, not everyone is actively using pin directions on their devices

(the lazy, sloppy and unskilled ones just set them to i/o or pas), so

maybe there is a need for a manual direction too. The options for arrow

direction should be:

-Auto (based on segment pinrefs)

-in (always pointing toward the end of the wire)

-out (always pointing away from the end of the wire)

-bidir (arrow in both directions)

 

If the direction arrows are done correctly everything is nice.

However (greetings from orcad) I once had to modify drawings and those

people gave a damn on correct use of it. I ran into trouble until I

completely ignored the directions.

So I'm not  too eager on that, but would be nice to have.

 

 

With auto, there is also some options for live ERC, like the ability to

detect and show if the net is missing a driver or double driven by

multiple outputs.

 

Finally, I wouldn't mind of the xrefs got split into a new primitive

called pageconnector, and get an attribute containing ALL the

references. Also the full list of references should be shown at the

tooltip on mouseover/hover event.

 

I don't know if this is practical. Think  of a little project with 15 to

20 pages and then select "GND"....perhaps it would be better in kind of

an info line...

It's planned to show the occurences of the net in the info dialog.

 

Finally it should be possible to hook it to a bus too.

--

Mit freundlichen Gruessen / Best regards

Richard Hammerl

  CadSoft Support -- hotline@cadsoft.de

  FAQ: http://www.cadsoft.de/training/faq/

Am 12.05.2016 um 14:51 schrieb Joern Paschedag:

Am 12.05.2016 um 09:15 schrieb Morten Leikvoll:

Just a comment to 1)

I'd like to have the option for auto direction on this arrow. Since pin

directions are defined in the devices, eagle can resolve wether the

segment is connected to some output net, or only input nets, and choose

direction according to this.

 

That would be nice

 

Hi,

currently there are no concrete plans. It's in the todo list, but

with low priority. I will bring this up for V8 again.

- Direction for xref labels

- xref for a bus

However, not everyone is actively using pin directions on their devices

(the lazy, sloppy and unskilled ones just set them to i/o or pas), so

maybe there is a need for a manual direction too. The options for arrow

direction should be:

-Auto (based on segment pinrefs)

-in (always pointing toward the end of the wire)

-out (always pointing away from the end of the wire)

-bidir (arrow in both directions)

 

If the direction arrows are done correctly everything is nice.

However (greetings from orcad) I once had to modify drawings and those

people gave a damn on correct use of it. I ran into trouble until I

completely ignored the directions.

So I'm not  too eager on that, but would be nice to have.

 

 

With auto, there is also some options for live ERC, like the ability to

detect and show if the net is missing a driver or double driven by

multiple outputs.

 

Finally, I wouldn't mind of the xrefs got split into a new primitive

called pageconnector, and get an attribute containing ALL the

references. Also the full list of references should be shown at the

tooltip on mouseover/hover event.

 

I don't know if this is practical. Think  of a little project with 15 to

20 pages and then select "GND"....perhaps it would be better in kind of

an info line...

It's planned to show the occurences of the net in the info dialog.

 

Finally it should be possible to hook it to a bus too.

--

Mit freundlichen Gruessen / Best regards

Richard Hammerl

  CadSoft Support -- hotline@cadsoft.de

  FAQ: http://www.cadsoft.de/training/faq/

Am 12.05.2016 um 14:51 schrieb Joern Paschedag:

Am 12.05.2016 um 09:15 schrieb Morten Leikvoll:

Just a comment to 1)

I'd like to have the option for auto direction on this arrow. Since pin

directions are defined in the devices, eagle can resolve wether the

segment is connected to some output net, or only input nets, and choose

direction according to this.

 

That would be nice

 

Hi,

currently there are no concrete plans. It's in the todo list, but

with low priority. I will bring this up for V8 again.

- Direction for xref labels

- xref for a bus

However, not everyone is actively using pin directions on their devices

(the lazy, sloppy and unskilled ones just set them to i/o or pas), so

maybe there is a need for a manual direction too. The options for arrow

direction should be:

-Auto (based on segment pinrefs)

-in (always pointing toward the end of the wire)

-out (always pointing away from the end of the wire)

-bidir (arrow in both directions)

 

If the direction arrows are done correctly everything is nice.

However (greetings from orcad) I once had to modify drawings and those

people gave a damn on correct use of it. I ran into trouble until I

completely ignored the directions.

So I'm not  too eager on that, but would be nice to have.

 

 

With auto, there is also some options for live ERC, like the ability to

detect and show if the net is missing a driver or double driven by

multiple outputs.

 

Finally, I wouldn't mind of the xrefs got split into a new primitive

called pageconnector, and get an attribute containing ALL the

references. Also the full list of references should be shown at the

tooltip on mouseover/hover event.

 

I don't know if this is practical. Think  of a little project with 15 to

20 pages and then select "GND"....perhaps it would be better in kind of

an info line...

It's planned to show the occurences of the net in the info dialog.

 

Finally it should be possible to hook it to a bus too.

--

Mit freundlichen Gruessen / Best regards

Richard Hammerl

  CadSoft Support -- hotline@cadsoft.de

  FAQ: http://www.cadsoft.de/training/faq/

2016-05-13 10:33 keltezéssel, Richard Hammerl írta:

Am 12.05.2016 um 14:51 schrieb Joern Paschedag:

Am 12.05.2016 um 09:15 schrieb Morten Leikvoll:

Just a comment to 1)

I'd like to have the option for auto direction on this arrow. Since pin

directions are defined in the devices, eagle can resolve wether the

segment is connected to some output net, or only input nets, and choose

direction according to this.

 

That would be nice

 

 

Hi,

 

currently there are no concrete plans. It's in the todo list, but

with low priority. I will bring this up for V8 again.

- Direction for xref labels

- xref for a bus

 

Hello Richard,

Just for curiosity: do you have any goal date range about the V8?

Thanks!

However, not everyone is actively using pin directions on their devices

(the lazy, sloppy and unskilled ones just set them to i/o or pas), so

maybe there is a need for a manual direction too. The options for arrow

direction should be:

-Auto (based on segment pinrefs)

-in (always pointing toward the end of the wire)

-out (always pointing away from the end of the wire)

-bidir (arrow in both directions)

 

If the direction arrows are done correctly everything is nice.

However (greetings from orcad) I once had to modify drawings and those

people gave a damn on correct use of it. I ran into trouble until I

completely ignored the directions.

So I'm not  too eager on that, but would be nice to have.

 

 

With auto, there is also some options for live ERC, like the ability to

detect and show if the net is missing a driver or double driven by

multiple outputs.

 

Finally, I wouldn't mind of the xrefs got split into a new primitive

called pageconnector, and get an attribute containing ALL the

references. Also the full list of references should be shown at the

tooltip on mouseover/hover event.

 

I don't know if this is practical. Think  of a little project with 15 to

20 pages and then select "GND"....perhaps it would be better in kind of

an info line...

 

It's planned to show the occurences of the net in the info dialog.

 

 

 

Finally it should be possible to hook it to a bus too.

2016-05-13 10:33 keltezéssel, Richard Hammerl írta:

Am 12.05.2016 um 14:51 schrieb Joern Paschedag:

Am 12.05.2016 um 09:15 schrieb Morten Leikvoll:

Just a comment to 1)

I'd like to have the option for auto direction on this arrow. Since pin

directions are defined in the devices, eagle can resolve wether the

segment is connected to some output net, or only input nets, and choose

direction according to this.

 

That would be nice

 

 

Hi,

 

currently there are no concrete plans. It's in the todo list, but

with low priority. I will bring this up for V8 again.

- Direction for xref labels

- xref for a bus

 

Hello Richard,

Just for curiosity: do you have any goal date range about the V8?

Thanks!

However, not everyone is actively using pin directions on their devices

(the lazy, sloppy and unskilled ones just set them to i/o or pas), so

maybe there is a need for a manual direction too. The options for arrow

direction should be:

-Auto (based on segment pinrefs)

-in (always pointing toward the end of the wire)

-out (always pointing away from the end of the wire)

-bidir (arrow in both directions)

 

If the direction arrows are done correctly everything is nice.

However (greetings from orcad) I once had to modify drawings and those

people gave a damn on correct use of it. I ran into trouble until I

completely ignored the directions.

So I'm not  too eager on that, but would be nice to have.

 

 

With auto, there is also some options for live ERC, like the ability to

detect and show if the net is missing a driver or double driven by

multiple outputs.

 

Finally, I wouldn't mind of the xrefs got split into a new primitive

called pageconnector, and get an attribute containing ALL the

references. Also the full list of references should be shown at the

tooltip on mouseover/hover event.

 

I don't know if this is practical. Think  of a little project with 15 to

20 pages and then select "GND"....perhaps it would be better in kind of

an info line...

 

It's planned to show the occurences of the net in the info dialog.

 

 

 

Finally it should be possible to hook it to a bus too.

2016-05-13 10:33 keltezéssel, Richard Hammerl írta:

Am 12.05.2016 um 14:51 schrieb Joern Paschedag:

Am 12.05.2016 um 09:15 schrieb Morten Leikvoll:

Just a comment to 1)

I'd like to have the option for auto direction on this arrow. Since pin

directions are defined in the devices, eagle can resolve wether the

segment is connected to some output net, or only input nets, and choose

direction according to this.

 

That would be nice

 

 

Hi,

 

currently there are no concrete plans. It's in the todo list, but

with low priority. I will bring this up for V8 again.

- Direction for xref labels

- xref for a bus

 

Hello Richard,

Just for curiosity: do you have any goal date range about the V8?

Thanks!

However, not everyone is actively using pin directions on their devices

(the lazy, sloppy and unskilled ones just set them to i/o or pas), so

maybe there is a need for a manual direction too. The options for arrow

direction should be:

-Auto (based on segment pinrefs)

-in (always pointing toward the end of the wire)

-out (always pointing away from the end of the wire)

-bidir (arrow in both directions)

 

If the direction arrows are done correctly everything is nice.

However (greetings from orcad) I once had to modify drawings and those

people gave a damn on correct use of it. I ran into trouble until I

completely ignored the directions.

So I'm not  too eager on that, but would be nice to have.

 

 

With auto, there is also some options for live ERC, like the ability to

detect and show if the net is missing a driver or double driven by

multiple outputs.

 

Finally, I wouldn't mind of the xrefs got split into a new primitive

called pageconnector, and get an attribute containing ALL the

references. Also the full list of references should be shown at the

tooltip on mouseover/hover event.

 

I don't know if this is practical. Think  of a little project with 15 to

20 pages and then select "GND"....perhaps it would be better in kind of

an info line...

 

It's planned to show the occurences of the net in the info dialog.

 

 

 

Finally it should be possible to hook it to a bus too.