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Eagle upgrade costs

stevekale

I use the Make version of Eagle - something I may now come to regret versus starting with an open source package from the beginning.

 

I am not using the software for commercial use, rather for DIY audio electronics.  But I now need a board area greater than 16cm x 10cm. For my current project, I need about 20cm of length.  There appears to be nothing between Make and Ultimate for commercial use (with or without Autorouter which I do not use).

 

I wanted to check the upgrade cost yet when I enter my user license online to get an instant quote for upgrading  I merely get the  cost of buying a version from scratch - including an option to buy what I already have for what I have already paid.  Rather daft.

 

How to get the correct upgrade costs?  And am I the only one that would like to see a non-commercial offering with a larger board area at a more sensible price? (I will never need 4m x 4m board area, nor more than 4 signal layers.)  This is the sort of thing which forces people to learn KiCad or another competitor product.

  • 0 in reply to stevekale

    Actually make that $687.37 a year!  (£465+VAT every year)

  • 0 in reply to stevekale

    Am 19.01.2017 um 17:06 schrieb Steve Kale:

    So to do a little 4-layer board it now costs me $500 a year?  I must be missing something.

     

    No, you're not missing something. EAGLE just got super expensive.

    Alternatively, you can subscribe on a monthly basis. When you're done

    with your board, you stop the subscription. Then, later on, you can

    subscribe again when needed. And unsubscribe. And subscribe. And

    unsubscribe.

     

    Isn't that a wonderful new era?

     

     

  • 0 in reply to stevekale

    This is hilarious:

     

     

    For others, well, if you’re a coffee-lover, the affordability illustration below could be a wake-up call!

     

     

    It ought to be a wakeup call for the idiot that can't draw or label a graph...

  • 0 in reply to autodeskguest

    Even doing that, $65 a board ($89 if you are detected as resident in the UK) kills this for the hobbyist/casual user.

     

    Looks like I am done with Eagle and have to learn a new software product for everything other than small 2 layer boards.   Cost of fab has plummeted.  Cost of design just soared.  Here's hoping the Chinese begin to compete effectively in software as well...

     

    Jorge, perhaps you have a different definition of "pleasantly" than I do.

  • 0 in reply to stevekale

    On 1/19/2017 11:20 AM, Steve Kale wrote:

    This is hilarious:

     

    For others, well, if you’re a coffee-lover, the affordability illustration below could be a wake-up call!

     

    It ought to be a wakeup call for the idiot that can't draw or label a graph...

     

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    Hello Steve,

     

    I hope you're doing well. If you are a student you are entitled to the

    Full Premium version for free. You can set that up by going to

    students.autodesk.com.

     

    That was kind of the trade off with the more limited version standard.

     

    Also we have a new forum up at forums.autodesk.com so users can start

    participating there as well.

     

    Best Regards,

    Jorge Garcia

     

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    Jorge Garcia wrote on Thu, 19 January 2017 18:28

    On 1/19/2017 11:20 AM, Steve Kale wrote:

    This is hilarious:

     

    Quote:

    For others, well, if you're a coffee-lover, the affordability

    illustration below could be a wake-up call!

     

    It ought to be a wakeup call for the idiot that can't draw or

    label a graph...

     

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    Hello Steve,

     

    I hope you're doing well. If you are a student you are entitled to the

     

    Full Premium version for free. You can set that up by going to

    students.autodesk.com.

     

    That was kind of the trade off with the more limited version standard.

     

    Also we have a new forum up at forums.autodesk.com so users can start

    participating there as well.

     

    Best Regards,

    Jorge Garcia

     

     

    Jorge, are those forums syncing to the NNTP support forums?

     

    James.

     

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  • 0 in reply to autodeskguest

    Jorge, are those forums syncing to the NNTP support forums?

     

    James.

     

     

    Hi James,

     

    They are not syncing up at this moment, there are still a few things

    that need to be worked on.

     

    Let me know if there's anything else I can do for you.

     

    Best Regards,

    Jorge Garcia

     

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    Is there going to be a credit for those of us who have an older license when moving to the new subscription model?

  • 0 in reply to 914paul

    Paul Ryan wrote on Sat, 11 February 2017 15:01

    Is there going to be a credit for those of us who have an older license

    when moving to the new subscription model?

     

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    What license do you currently have? I believe there is currently a 50%

    discount on 1 year subscriptions for existing v7 license holders.

     

    Best Regards,

     

    Rachael

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  • 0 in reply to rachaelp

    Hello,

     

    Even with a 50% of reduction on 1 year subscription, it will be 'no thank for me'.

     

    Sorry guys, but you when to far for me, an also for my boss...

    I have my own private pro license (as hobbyist) and at work, I use the license of my company. I will not migrate to the V8 version and I think that my boss will probably to the same.

     

    1.If you want to buy a car you don't go to a rent office.

    I want to buy a license, no to rent it, and that is not negotiable. So if Eagle licenses are not for sale anymore, but only for renting, then I guess that I will simply don't go to the Eagle sales offices ! (simple!)

     

    2. Until now I didn't use the autorouter, and so I never bought it. Now I will not have the choice any more, and so the price is absolutely not the same !

    I dislike this way of forcing to buy something you don't want to, so I avoid those situations. Then I guess that, starting from now, I will avoid Eagle....

     

    3.To force people to create an account and to connect to Autodesk server every 14 days... Woww That a real improvement ! That was the most critical problem of Eagle v7 !!!! lol

    a- No one can force me to create a account if I don"t want to.

    b- I don't want to give any single personal single data on me, on a account I don't want to create, account on a web site of a company I will not trust any more !

    c- I use Eagle on a PC that is not and will not be connected on internet (for security issues) so... I'm screwed. At least I would understand an activation by internet, once during installation, but every 14 days: this a joke ?

     

    4. Just a little thing, I'm concern about protecting software since I work in a company that provide software ! We use different ways of protecting our products (we develop our own USB protecting dongle, or we can propose the use of license server etc... )

    But  we :

    a- propose to our customer different solutions of protection (dongle, licensee server etc ..) and he could choose the one; we don't impose just one.

    b- we never (and probably ever) don't use the rent only model. A license is for SALE and a the maintenance/support contract is a RENT. Both are separate things.

         WE NEVER IMPOSE THE MAINTENANCE CONTRACT to a customer who buy a license !

         why ?

         By using the renting only model you just force your customers to have a maintenance contract, and worse, the licensee will perish at the end of the period !

     

     

    I may be wrong but I think you just lose the trust between you and some of your customers (2 at least: me and my boss).

     

    Believe me you don't have to impose a subscription. As I said, my company SELL licenses that will never expire. And we also propose a maintenance contract (with support, updates etc...) but only for customer who want it !

    And guess what ?

    In more than 95% of purchased licenses, customers also take out a maintenance contract !

     

    Why ?

    A - We listen to their needs, and don't sell what they don't need !

    B - They have the feeling of not been attached, of having the choice.

    C - TRUST

    D - the quality, the performance etc...

    ...

    Z - Certainly NOT because that we impose it !

     

    So bye bye Eagle.

     

    I think that I will continue for a while with the Eagle V7, then I will try other software.... But I will not continue to invest my time with Eagle....

     

    Note that I did not said that I will change my decision if you change your policy, because I think I wouldn't. 

    Simple because, I don't trust  Eagle anymore, so... I would certainly prefer to use my time to learn another software...

     

    Sorry,

     

    Guillaume Barrey