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stevekale

I use the Make version of Eagle - something I may now come to regret versus starting with an open source package from the beginning.

 

I am not using the software for commercial use, rather for DIY audio electronics.  But I now need a board area greater than 16cm x 10cm. For my current project, I need about 20cm of length.  There appears to be nothing between Make and Ultimate for commercial use (with or without Autorouter which I do not use).

 

I wanted to check the upgrade cost yet when I enter my user license online to get an instant quote for upgrading  I merely get the  cost of buying a version from scratch - including an option to buy what I already have for what I have already paid.  Rather daft.

 

How to get the correct upgrade costs?  And am I the only one that would like to see a non-commercial offering with a larger board area at a more sensible price? (I will never need 4m x 4m board area, nor more than 4 signal layers.)  This is the sort of thing which forces people to learn KiCad or another competitor product.

  • 0 in reply to kikoun

    I agree with all the above

    Since 10 years I upgraded every time, but that is gone forever

  • 0 in reply to kikoun

    Hi,

    Absolutely with you.

     

     

    And the madness is at the end of the license period:

    The software will fall back to the free demo version with 80 cm² and 2 layers, it will a kids toy.

     

     

    If you have an active project in the middle, for example a PCB 350x300 mm with 6 layers, then the license from this day

    to the next day in the middle of the month, working in the project, the software no longer works, then you can lock your company .

    - "goo...ood morning Boss!", "yesterday the software worked, today it doesn't!, ... why?" image

    Wow, great fine, AutoDesk will say: "please pay, or pray... otherwise it will not continue ..!";

    Your customer will say "tomorrow the project must be finished ...!";

    And you, midway between both ..... "poff", !watch?v=Sif5LKP9-W4atomic explosion!

     

    Regards,

    Gerald

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  • 0

    Yes i'am out too. For 10 years i have payed for eagle, but not anymore!

     

    http://www.eaglecentral.ca/index.php/t/53163/93892d75c2002746fa04a2e530476f12/

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    EAGLE support forums at http://www.eaglecentral.ca :: Where the EAGLE community meets.

     

  • 0

    Yes i'am out too. For 10 years i have payed for eagle, but not anymore!

     

    http://www.eaglecentral.ca/index.php/t/53163/93892d75c2002746fa04a2e530476f12/

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    EAGLE support forums at http://www.eaglecentral.ca :: Where the EAGLE community meets.

     

  • 0 in reply to kikoun

    Am 12.02.2017 um 14:10 schrieb Guillaume barrey:

    Hello,

     

    Even with a 50% of reduction on 1 year subscription, it will be 'no thank for me'.

     

    Sorry guys, but you when to far for me, an also for my boss...

    I have my own private pro license (as hobbyist) and at work, I use the license of my company. I will not migrate to the V8 version and I think that my boss will probably to the same.

     

    1.If you want to buy a car you don't go to a rent office.

    I want to buy a license, no to rent it, and that is not negotiable. So if Eagle licenses are not for sale anymore, but only for renting, then I guess that I will simply don't go to the Eagle sales offices ! (simple!)

     

    2. Until now I didn't use the autorouter, and so I never bought it. Now I will not have the choice any more, and so the price is absolutely not the same !

    I dislike this way of forcing to buy something you don't want to, so I avoid those situations. Then I guess that, starting from now, I will avoid Eagle....

     

    3.To force people to create an account and to connect to Autodesk server every 14 days... Woww That a real improvement ! That was the most critical problem of Eagle v7 !!!! lol

    a- No one can force me to create a account if I don"t want to.

    b- I don't want to give any single personal single data on me, on a account I don't want to create, account on a web site of a company I will not trust any more !

    c- I use Eagle on a PC that is not and will not be connected on internet (for security issues) so... I'm screwed. At least I would understand an activation by internet, once during installation, but every 14 days: this a joke ?

     

    4. Just a little thing, I'm concern about protecting software since I work in a company that provide software ! We use different ways of protecting our products (we develop our own USB protecting dongle, or we can propose the use of license server etc... )

    But  we :

    a- propose to our customer different solutions of protection (dongle, licensee server etc ..) and he could choose the one; we don't impose just one.

    b- we never (and probably ever) don't use the rent only model. A license is for SALE and a the maintenance/support contract is a RENT. Both are separate things.

         WE NEVER IMPOSE THE MAINTENANCE CONTRACT to a customer who buy a license !

         why ?

         By using the renting only model you just force your customers to have a maintenance contract, and worse, the licensee will perish at the end of the period !

     

     

    I may be wrong but I think you just lose the trust between you and some of your customers (2 at least: me and my boss).

     

    Believe me you don't have to impose a subscription. As I said, my company SELL licenses that will never expire. And we also propose a maintenance contract (with support, updates etc...) but only for customer who want it !

    And guess what ?

    In more than 95% of purchased licenses, customers also take out a maintenance contract !

     

    Why ?

    A - We listen to their needs, and don't sell what they don't need !

    B - They have the feeling of not been attached, of having the choice.

    C - TRUST

    D - the quality, the performance etc...

    ...

    Z - Certainly NOT because that we impose it !

     

    So bye bye Eagle.

     

    I think that I will continue for a while with the Eagle V7, then I will try other software.... But I will not continue to invest my time with Eagle....

     

    Note that I did not said that I will change my decision if you change your policy, because I think I wouldn't.

    Simple because, I don't trust  Eagle anymore, so... I would certainly prefer to use my time to learn another software...

     

    Sorry,

     

    Guillaume Barrey

     

     

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    Ladies and Gentlemen,

    certainly I see what is going on but actually I don't understand it.

    Autodesk (AD) has owned eagle and changed  the license models.

    They have the right to do so even if I don't like it.

     

    AD has not changed electronic components (and can not do it) so that

    only eagle v.8 can handle it.

    I know people that use V.4 and V.5 still today without problems. So

    think about that.

    Unfortunately owners of acquired smaller companies try to adapt them to

    their own scheme and forget the old word "Never change a running system".

     

    IMHO eagle was a  good running system, but now...

     

    I shall, at least for some time, continue with my perpetual license,

    because during the years working with eagle I have developed a lot of

    libraries, imho an investment of time that would be lost.

    AD stands for their opinion, I  stand for mine.

    Goodbye eagle.

     

    --

    Mit freundlichen Grüßen / With best regards

     

    Joern Paschedag

     

  • 0 in reply to kikoun

    Am 12.02.2017 um 14:10 schrieb Guillaume barrey:

    Hello,

     

    Even with a 50% of reduction on 1 year subscription, it will be 'no thank for me'.

     

    Sorry guys, but you when to far for me, an also for my boss...

    I have my own private pro license (as hobbyist) and at work, I use the license of my company. I will not migrate to the V8 version and I think that my boss will probably to the same.

     

    1.If you want to buy a car you don't go to a rent office.

    I want to buy a license, no to rent it, and that is not negotiable. So if Eagle licenses are not for sale anymore, but only for renting, then I guess that I will simply don't go to the Eagle sales offices ! (simple!)

     

    2. Until now I didn't use the autorouter, and so I never bought it. Now I will not have the choice any more, and so the price is absolutely not the same !

    I dislike this way of forcing to buy something you don't want to, so I avoid those situations. Then I guess that, starting from now, I will avoid Eagle....

     

    3.To force people to create an account and to connect to Autodesk server every 14 days... Woww That a real improvement ! That was the most critical problem of Eagle v7 !!!! lol

    a- No one can force me to create a account if I don"t want to.

    b- I don't want to give any single personal single data on me, on a account I don't want to create, account on a web site of a company I will not trust any more !

    c- I use Eagle on a PC that is not and will not be connected on internet (for security issues) so... I'm screwed. At least I would understand an activation by internet, once during installation, but every 14 days: this a joke ?

     

    4. Just a little thing, I'm concern about protecting software since I work in a company that provide software ! We use different ways of protecting our products (we develop our own USB protecting dongle, or we can propose the use of license server etc... )

    But  we :

    a- propose to our customer different solutions of protection (dongle, licensee server etc ..) and he could choose the one; we don't impose just one.

    b- we never (and probably ever) don't use the rent only model. A license is for SALE and a the maintenance/support contract is a RENT. Both are separate things.

         WE NEVER IMPOSE THE MAINTENANCE CONTRACT to a customer who buy a license !

         why ?

         By using the renting only model you just force your customers to have a maintenance contract, and worse, the licensee will perish at the end of the period !

     

     

    I may be wrong but I think you just lose the trust between you and some of your customers (2 at least: me and my boss).

     

    Believe me you don't have to impose a subscription. As I said, my company SELL licenses that will never expire. And we also propose a maintenance contract (with support, updates etc...) but only for customer who want it !

    And guess what ?

    In more than 95% of purchased licenses, customers also take out a maintenance contract !

     

    Why ?

    A - We listen to their needs, and don't sell what they don't need !

    B - They have the feeling of not been attached, of having the choice.

    C - TRUST

    D - the quality, the performance etc...

    ...

    Z - Certainly NOT because that we impose it !

     

    So bye bye Eagle.

     

    I think that I will continue for a while with the Eagle V7, then I will try other software.... But I will not continue to invest my time with Eagle....

     

    Note that I did not said that I will change my decision if you change your policy, because I think I wouldn't.

    Simple because, I don't trust  Eagle anymore, so... I would certainly prefer to use my time to learn another software...

     

    Sorry,

     

    Guillaume Barrey

     

     

    --

    To view any images and attachments in this post, visit:

    https://www.element14.com/community/message/215742

     

     

    Ladies and Gentlemen,

    certainly I see what is going on but actually I don't understand it.

    Autodesk (AD) has owned eagle and changed  the license models.

    They have the right to do so even if I don't like it.

     

    AD has not changed electronic components (and can not do it) so that

    only eagle v.8 can handle it.

    I know people that use V.4 and V.5 still today without problems. So

    think about that.

    Unfortunately owners of acquired smaller companies try to adapt them to

    their own scheme and forget the old word "Never change a running system".

     

    IMHO eagle was a  good running system, but now...

     

    I shall, at least for some time, continue with my perpetual license,

    because during the years working with eagle I have developed a lot of

    libraries, imho an investment of time that would be lost.

    AD stands for their opinion, I  stand for mine.

    Goodbye eagle.

     

    --

    Mit freundlichen Grüßen / With best regards

     

    Joern Paschedag

     

  • 0 in reply to autodeskguest

    In my view, there needs to be a middle option -- something like 4 layer/200x200mm/10 sheets/no autorouter, for say, $250/yr. As it is, $500/yr means I'll be sticking with my old perpetual license and trying out Kicad for new projects.

  • 0 in reply to autodeskguest

    HI Guys --

     

    The 4 layer version of EAGLE Standard (8.0.1) was just released.  You can get a 4-layer commercial license of EAGLE for $100/yr.  Thanks for the feedback!

     

    Best regards,

     

    Matt

  • 0 in reply to technolomaniac

    Matt Berggren wrote:

    HI Guys --

     

    The 4 layer version of EAGLE Standard (8.0.1) was just released.  You can get a 4-layer commercial license of EAGLE for $100/yr.  Thanks for the feedback!

     

    Actually no.  In Europe, it is EUR 110 which is more than USD 100.  And you

    force us Europeans to the Euro store.

     

    And I just found out that now I can get 4 layers but the area restriction, which

    seems to allow 160 cm^2, doesn't still allow negative coordinates, which would

    be useful for certain projects, where 0,0 is the logical centerpoint for the PCB.

     

    It is frustrating to put 15 EUR for this just to find out that you still haven't

    got all pieces together!

     

    Subscription model is the most annoying aspect of this.