Eagle upgrade costs

Is there going to be a credit for those of us who have an older license when moving to the new subscription model?

Paul Ryan wrote on Sat, 11 February 2017 15:01

Is there going to be a credit for those of us who have an older license

when moving to the new subscription model?

 

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What license do you currently have? I believe there is currently a 50%

discount on 1 year subscriptions for existing v7 license holders.

Best Regards,

Rachael

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Paul Ryan wrote on Sat, 11 February 2017 15:01

Is there going to be a credit for those of us who have an older license

when moving to the new subscription model?

 

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What license do you currently have? I believe there is currently a 50%

discount on 1 year subscriptions for existing v7 license holders.

Best Regards,

Rachael

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Hello,

Even with a 50% of reduction on 1 year subscription, it will be 'no thank for me'.

Sorry guys, but you when to far for me, an also for my boss...

I have my own private pro license (as hobbyist) and at work, I use the license of my company. I will not migrate to the V8 version and I think that my boss will probably to the same.

1.If you want to buy a car you don't go to a rent office.

I want to buy a license, no to rent it, and that is not negotiable. So if Eagle licenses are not for sale anymore, but only for renting, then I guess that I will simply don't go to the Eagle sales offices ! (simple!)

2. Until now I didn't use the autorouter, and so I never bought it. Now I will not have the choice any more, and so the price is absolutely not the same !

I dislike this way of forcing to buy something you don't want to, so I avoid those situations. Then I guess that, starting from now, I will avoid Eagle....

3.To force people to create an account and to connect to Autodesk server every 14 days... Woww That a real improvement ! That was the most critical problem of Eagle v7 !!!! lol

a- No one can force me to create a account if I don"t want to.

b- I don't want to give any single personal single data on me, on a account I don't want to create, account on a web site of a company I will not trust any more !

c- I use Eagle on a PC that is not and will not be connected on internet (for security issues) so... I'm screwed. At least I would understand an activation by internet, once during installation, but every 14 days: this a joke ?

4. Just a little thing, I'm concern about protecting software since I work in a company that provide software ! We use different ways of protecting our products (we develop our own USB protecting dongle, or we can propose the use of license server etc... )

But  we :

a- propose to our customer different solutions of protection (dongle, licensee server etc ..) and he could choose the one; we don't impose just one.

b- we never (and probably ever) don't use the rent only model. A license is for SALE and a the maintenance/support contract is a RENT. Both are separate things.

     WE NEVER IMPOSE THE MAINTENANCE CONTRACT to a customer who buy a license !

     why ?

     By using the renting only model you just force your customers to have a maintenance contract, and worse, the licensee will perish at the end of the period !

I may be wrong but I think you just lose the trust between you and some of your customers (2 at least: me and my boss).

Believe me you don't have to impose a subscription. As I said, my company SELL licenses that will never expire. And we also propose a maintenance contract (with support, updates etc...) but only for customer who want it !

And guess what ?

In more than 95% of purchased licenses, customers also take out a maintenance contract !

Why ?

A - We listen to their needs, and don't sell what they don't need !

B - They have the feeling of not been attached, of having the choice.

C - TRUST

D - the quality, the performance etc...

...

Z - Certainly NOT because that we impose it !

So bye bye Eagle.

I think that I will continue for a while with the Eagle V7, then I will try other software.... But I will not continue to invest my time with Eagle....

Note that I did not said that I will change my decision if you change your policy, because I think I wouldn't. 

Simple because, I don't trust  Eagle anymore, so... I would certainly prefer to use my time to learn another software...

Sorry,

Guillaume Barrey

I agree with all the above

Since 10 years I upgraded every time, but that is gone forever

I just finished my first board in KiCad...

Hi,

Absolutely with you.

And the madness is at the end of the license period:

The software will fall back to the free demo version with 80 cm² and 2 layers, it will a kids toy.

If you have an active project in the middle, for example a PCB 350x300 mm with 6 layers, then the license from this day

to the next day in the middle of the month, working in the project, the software no longer works, then you can lock your company .

- "goo...ood morning Boss!", "yesterday the software worked, today it doesn't!, ... why?"

Wow, great fine, AutoDesk will say: "please pay, or pray... otherwise it will not continue ..!";

Your customer will say "tomorrow the project must be finished ...!";

And you, midway between both ..... "poff", !atomic explosion!

Regards,

Gerald

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Am 12.02.2017 um 14:10 schrieb Guillaume barrey:

Hello,

 

Even with a 50% of reduction on 1 year subscription, it will be 'no thank for me'.

 

Sorry guys, but you when to far for me, an also for my boss...

I have my own private pro license (as hobbyist) and at work, I use the license of my company. I will not migrate to the V8 version and I think that my boss will probably to the same.

 

1.If you want to buy a car you don't go to a rent office.

I want to buy a license, no to rent it, and that is not negotiable. So if Eagle licenses are not for sale anymore, but only for renting, then I guess that I will simply don't go to the Eagle sales offices ! (simple!)

 

2. Until now I didn't use the autorouter, and so I never bought it. Now I will not have the choice any more, and so the price is absolutely not the same !

I dislike this way of forcing to buy something you don't want to, so I avoid those situations. Then I guess that, starting from now, I will avoid Eagle....

 

3.To force people to create an account and to connect to Autodesk server every 14 days... Woww That a real improvement ! That was the most critical problem of Eagle v7 !!!! lol

a- No one can force me to create a account if I don"t want to.

b- I don't want to give any single personal single data on me, on a account I don't want to create, account on a web site of a company I will not trust any more !

c- I use Eagle on a PC that is not and will not be connected on internet (for security issues) so... I'm screwed. At least I would understand an activation by internet, once during installation, but every 14 days: this a joke ?

 

4. Just a little thing, I'm concern about protecting software since I work in a company that provide software ! We use different ways of protecting our products (we develop our own USB protecting dongle, or we can propose the use of license server etc... )

But  we :

a- propose to our customer different solutions of protection (dongle, licensee server etc ..) and he could choose the one; we don't impose just one.

b- we never (and probably ever) don't use the rent only model. A license is for SALE and a the maintenance/support contract is a RENT. Both are separate things.

     WE NEVER IMPOSE THE MAINTENANCE CONTRACT to a customer who buy a license !

     why ?

     By using the renting only model you just force your customers to have a maintenance contract, and worse, the licensee will perish at the end of the period !

 

 

I may be wrong but I think you just lose the trust between you and some of your customers (2 at least: me and my boss).

 

Believe me you don't have to impose a subscription. As I said, my company SELL licenses that will never expire. And we also propose a maintenance contract (with support, updates etc...) but only for customer who want it !

And guess what ?

In more than 95% of purchased licenses, customers also take out a maintenance contract !

 

Why ?

A - We listen to their needs, and don't sell what they don't need !

B - They have the feeling of not been attached, of having the choice.

C - TRUST

D - the quality, the performance etc...

...

Z - Certainly NOT because that we impose it !

 

So bye bye Eagle.

 

I think that I will continue for a while with the Eagle V7, then I will try other software.... But I will not continue to invest my time with Eagle....

 

Note that I did not said that I will change my decision if you change your policy, because I think I wouldn't.

Simple because, I don't trust  Eagle anymore, so... I would certainly prefer to use my time to learn another software...

 

Sorry,

 

Guillaume Barrey

 

 

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Ladies and Gentlemen,

certainly I see what is going on but actually I don't understand it.

Autodesk (AD) has owned eagle and changed  the license models.

They have the right to do so even if I don't like it.

AD has not changed electronic components (and can not do it) so that

only eagle v.8 can handle it.

I know people that use V.4 and V.5 still today without problems. So

think about that.

Unfortunately owners of acquired smaller companies try to adapt them to

their own scheme and forget the old word "Never change a running system".

IMHO eagle was a  good running system, but now...

I shall, at least for some time, continue with my perpetual license,

because during the years working with eagle I have developed a lot of

libraries, imho an investment of time that would be lost.

AD stands for their opinion, I  stand for mine.

Goodbye eagle.

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Mit freundlichen Grüßen / With best regards

Joern Paschedag

Am 12.02.2017 um 14:10 schrieb Guillaume barrey:

Hello,

 

Even with a 50% of reduction on 1 year subscription, it will be 'no thank for me'.

 

Sorry guys, but you when to far for me, an also for my boss...

I have my own private pro license (as hobbyist) and at work, I use the license of my company. I will not migrate to the V8 version and I think that my boss will probably to the same.

 

1.If you want to buy a car you don't go to a rent office.

I want to buy a license, no to rent it, and that is not negotiable. So if Eagle licenses are not for sale anymore, but only for renting, then I guess that I will simply don't go to the Eagle sales offices ! (simple!)

 

2. Until now I didn't use the autorouter, and so I never bought it. Now I will not have the choice any more, and so the price is absolutely not the same !

I dislike this way of forcing to buy something you don't want to, so I avoid those situations. Then I guess that, starting from now, I will avoid Eagle....

 

3.To force people to create an account and to connect to Autodesk server every 14 days... Woww That a real improvement ! That was the most critical problem of Eagle v7 !!!! lol

a- No one can force me to create a account if I don"t want to.

b- I don't want to give any single personal single data on me, on a account I don't want to create, account on a web site of a company I will not trust any more !

c- I use Eagle on a PC that is not and will not be connected on internet (for security issues) so... I'm screwed. At least I would understand an activation by internet, once during installation, but every 14 days: this a joke ?

 

4. Just a little thing, I'm concern about protecting software since I work in a company that provide software ! We use different ways of protecting our products (we develop our own USB protecting dongle, or we can propose the use of license server etc... )

But  we :

a- propose to our customer different solutions of protection (dongle, licensee server etc ..) and he could choose the one; we don't impose just one.

b- we never (and probably ever) don't use the rent only model. A license is for SALE and a the maintenance/support contract is a RENT. Both are separate things.

     WE NEVER IMPOSE THE MAINTENANCE CONTRACT to a customer who buy a license !

     why ?

     By using the renting only model you just force your customers to have a maintenance contract, and worse, the licensee will perish at the end of the period !

 

 

I may be wrong but I think you just lose the trust between you and some of your customers (2 at least: me and my boss).

 

Believe me you don't have to impose a subscription. As I said, my company SELL licenses that will never expire. And we also propose a maintenance contract (with support, updates etc...) but only for customer who want it !

And guess what ?

In more than 95% of purchased licenses, customers also take out a maintenance contract !

 

Why ?

A - We listen to their needs, and don't sell what they don't need !

B - They have the feeling of not been attached, of having the choice.

C - TRUST

D - the quality, the performance etc...

...

Z - Certainly NOT because that we impose it !

 

So bye bye Eagle.

 

I think that I will continue for a while with the Eagle V7, then I will try other software.... But I will not continue to invest my time with Eagle....

 

Note that I did not said that I will change my decision if you change your policy, because I think I wouldn't.

Simple because, I don't trust  Eagle anymore, so... I would certainly prefer to use my time to learn another software...

 

Sorry,

 

Guillaume Barrey

 

 

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Ladies and Gentlemen,

certainly I see what is going on but actually I don't understand it.

Autodesk (AD) has owned eagle and changed  the license models.

They have the right to do so even if I don't like it.

AD has not changed electronic components (and can not do it) so that

only eagle v.8 can handle it.

I know people that use V.4 and V.5 still today without problems. So

think about that.

Unfortunately owners of acquired smaller companies try to adapt them to

their own scheme and forget the old word "Never change a running system".

IMHO eagle was a  good running system, but now...

I shall, at least for some time, continue with my perpetual license,

because during the years working with eagle I have developed a lot of

libraries, imho an investment of time that would be lost.

AD stands for their opinion, I  stand for mine.

Goodbye eagle.

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Mit freundlichen Grüßen / With best regards

Joern Paschedag

On Mon, 13 Feb 2017 10:03:34 +0100, Joern Paschedag

<jpaschedag@t-online.de> wrote:

AD has not changed electronic components (and can not do it) so that

only eagle v.8 can handle it.

Sure they have.  Try opening a V7 drawing in an earlier version.  You

can't.  That's why I have to keep V4 and up installed on my machine.

The REAL problem comes when you find a project on the net or in a

magazine that you'd like to use some part of.  Saves reinventing the

wheel.  The project is usually posted in the current Eagle format.  So

you have to have that version installed.  And Eagle doesn't let one

back-port to an earlier version so if you want to cut a piece out of

the project schematic and paste it in yours, you're SOL.

Unfortunately owners of acquired smaller companies try to adapt them to

their own scheme and forget the old word "Never change a running system".

SOP for AutoDesk.  Perhaps some of you CadSoft people can ask around

and find out what AutoDesk did to MoldFlow.   Hint: It isn't pretty!!!

I shall, at least for some time, continue with my perpetual license,

because during the years working with eagle I have developed a lot of

libraries, imho an investment of time that would be lost.

AD stands for their opinion, I  stand for mine.

Goodbye eagle.

My approach is to convert us over to KiCAD now and convert Eagle

library entries only as they are needed.

John

John DeArmond

http://www.neon-john.com

http://www.tnduction.com

Tellico Plains, Occupied TN

See website for email address

Am 21.02.2017 um 21:37 schrieb Neon John:

On Mon, 13 Feb 2017 10:03:34 +0100, Joern Paschedag

<jpaschedag@t-online.de> wrote:

 

 

AD has not changed electronic components (and can not do it) so that

only eagle v.8 can handle it.

 

Sure they have.  Try opening a V7 drawing in an earlier version.  You

can't.  That's why I have to keep V4 and up installed on my machine.

 

NO they did not.

What you mean is to open newer files with newer eagle versions but that

has nothing to do with electronics itself.

Actually one "never" could directly open newer files with older programs

since they contain "features" the older programs didn't know. As simple

as that.

The REAL problem comes when you find a project on the net or in a

magazine that you'd like to use some part of.  Saves reinventing the

wheel.  The project is usually posted in the current Eagle format.  So

you have to have that version installed.  And Eagle doesn't let one

back-port to an earlier version so if you want to cut a piece out of

the project schematic and paste it in yours, you're SOL.

Here you might be right for the hobbyist, for the pros you are

definitely not.

Unfortunately owners of acquired smaller companies try to adapt them to

their own scheme and forget the old word "Never change a running system".

 

SOP for AutoDesk.  Perhaps some of you CadSoft people can ask around

and find out what AutoDesk did to MoldFlow.   Hint: It isn't pretty!!!

 

I shall, at least for some time, continue with my perpetual license,

because during the years working with eagle I have developed a lot of

libraries, imho an investment of time that would be lost.

AD stands for their opinion, I  stand for mine.

Goodbye eagle.

 

My approach is to convert us over to KiCAD now and convert Eagle

library entries only as they are needed.

 

John

John DeArmond

http://www.neon-john.com

http://www.tnduction.com

Tellico Plains, Occupied TN

See website for email address

 

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Mit freundlichen Grüßen / With best regards

Joern Paschedag

      Guillaume, I share your outrage.

I used EAGLE since it was version 2.6, under DOS, and I did fall  in love to it from first hour I try it.

I would like to have a little bit more colors and more RF/microwave support... but now EAGLE is dead for me.

I still have my own 4.16r2, 5.12, 6.6 and 7.7  versions licenses

(they works under Windows-7 and -10, so I am supported for few more years),

I forced Boston Scientific to buy three licenses 6.6 version, I tried to force them to upgrade... not anymore!

So they lost    me (Sensible Electronics),

                              Boston Scientific and

                              PinMed (I worked for them, too, they were ready to buy EAGLE).

     But do not blame them (AutoDesk) to be stupid: I think, they killed EAGLE intentionally.

Maybe they feel a competition became dangerous, maybe third party paid them...

Look: 1) they promise to make improvements, but people report the improvements do not work. Why?

              I think they rid out from few persons of the old team (maybe laid them off with very good service pack)

              - "accidentally" it appears they were the key persons, so nobody could "improve" the software;

         2) Everybody (include AutoDesk) understand: if license expire, it will be not possible to maintain old projects,

              no more support for old customers - so who will pay for destroying his own reputation?

Can you recommend the adequate replacement of EAGLE?

          Sincerely yours,

                 Lev Freidin, Electronics Engineer

                      (from DC to digital and microwave, so I have to make layout on my own).

                                  levafreidin@netscape.net, (805)-750-0665 cell.

levafreidin <noreply-59652@element14.com> wrote:

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Can you recommend the adequate replacement of EAGLE?

Use an eagle Versiin below 8 ...

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