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Eagle upgrade costs

stevekale
stevekale over 8 years ago

I use the Make version of Eagle - something I may now come to regret versus starting with an open source package from the beginning.

 

I am not using the software for commercial use, rather for DIY audio electronics.  But I now need a board area greater than 16cm x 10cm. For my current project, I need about 20cm of length.  There appears to be nothing between Make and Ultimate for commercial use (with or without Autorouter which I do not use).

 

I wanted to check the upgrade cost yet when I enter my user license online to get an instant quote for upgrading  I merely get the  cost of buying a version from scratch - including an option to buy what I already have for what I have already paid.  Rather daft.

 

How to get the correct upgrade costs?  And am I the only one that would like to see a non-commercial offering with a larger board area at a more sensible price? (I will never need 4m x 4m board area, nor more than 4 signal layers.)  This is the sort of thing which forces people to learn KiCad or another competitor product.

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  • autodeskguest
    autodeskguest over 8 years ago in reply to stevekale +2 suggested
    On 1/10/2017 7:47 AM, Steve Kale wrote: Hi. Thanks I will email them. It would be good if mattbergren can comment as the leap to Ultimate for DIY use is preventatively expensive. Regretfully I'm about…
  • e14candies
    e14candies over 8 years ago +1
    You can use some tricks and special editing commands to make a larger board if you really need to, however, it is much easier to upgrade Eagle to the size you need. Hopefully the new pricing/versions will…
  • rachaelp
    rachaelp over 8 years ago +1
    Looking on the cadsoft.io website this morning there is now a big splash screen saying the biggest release of EAGLE to date is coming soon. Judging by the snippets shown on that screen I have to say I…
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    0 rachaelp over 8 years ago

    Hi Steve,

     

    I'm not 100% sure but I think, within the same version the cost of upgrading from one license to a higher one is the difference in the cost of the original licenses. I'm pretty sure that's how it used to be in any case. If you email sales@cadsoftusa.com or sales@cadsoft.de they'll be able to tell you the upgrade costs.

     

    You are right there isn't currently anything in between which would help non-commercial people go larger than 16cm x 10cm. This has been discussed a few times before but has not yet been addressed by CADSoft/Autodesk. Possibly Autodesk may come up with a solution which will give the ability to do what you require. Someone from Autodesk may be able to answer whether this is something they are looking to address. The problem is they won't want to do anything that will cannibalise their sales of the Ultimate version, which is a competitively priced product for the professional end of the market. For me I can't justify the cost of Mentor, Cadence or Altium products and they don't offer the flexibility I would like anyway, so EAGLE Ultimate is the ideal license for my needs. KiCAD is probably getting a lot better now that it's had heavy CERN investment but last time I tried to use it I didn't find anything compelling to make we want to switch and I have high hopes for v8 being a big step forwards for EAGLE.

     

    I had an idea for EAGLE that possibly they could do the licensing (for non-commercial at least) on a routing area basis rather than a board area basis. Therefore if you only 2 layers rather than 4 you could do twice the board area but with a restriction that you couldn't add any more layers. Whether that is a viable option or even sensible is for Autodesk to decide I guess.

     

    Best regards,

     

    Rachael

     

    EDIT 1: I had linked to an account which I thought was Matt Berggren from Autodesk but am not sure it was right now so have edited it to remove this link.

     

    EDIT 2: I should have linked this Matt Berggren! technolomaniac

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    0 stevekale over 8 years ago in reply to rachaelp

    Hi. Thanks I will email them.  It would be good if mattbergren can comment as the leap to Ultimate for DIY use is preventatively expensive. Regretfully I'm about to start watching KiCad tutorials.

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    0 rachaelp over 8 years ago in reply to stevekale

    It looks like Element14 won't be selling EAGLE v7 for much longer either. If you look at the product page for EAGLE Ultimate it says they aren't accepting any new orders after 12th Jan and that Autodesk will be making an announcement on the future of EAGLE. See here: https://www.element14.com/community/docs/DOC-69941/l/eagle-ultimate

     

    It might be worth seeing what Autodesk announce before you invest too much time in KiCAD tutorials. My guess is it'll be a v8 announcement.

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    0 geralds over 8 years ago in reply to rachaelp

    Wow, what a message.

     

    I don't know about it, because on Cadsofts / Autodesks website there is no information about this game.

    Last year I asked in the Cadsoft Support forum, whether I can upgrade my Eagle version 6.6.0 PRO directly to version 8 Ultimate (Pro, as old attribute). There was no answer, nothing until today.
    Because the version 7 has no significant features about version 6.6.0, I wanted to save a version.
    Currently I work with 6.6.0 PRO and 7.7.0 Express (this is just for compatibility to the lib files).

    And now I may not even get the new version as an upgrade if Autodesk makes any announcements after the 12th of January.

     

    Gerald

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    0 autodeskguest over 8 years ago in reply to stevekale

    On 1/10/2017 7:47 AM, Steve Kale wrote:

    Hi. Thanks I will email them.  It would be good if mattbergren can comment as the leap to Ultimate for DIY use is preventatively expensive. Regretfully I'm about to start watching KiCad tutorials.

     

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    https://www.element14.com/community/message/212734

     

     

    Hi Steve,

     

    You should see some improvements in the pricing starting next week. The

    site has given some incorrect prices as of late so we should these

    issues addressed very soon.

     

    I'd say check the pricing next week, I think you'll be pleasantly surprised.

     

    Best Regards,

    Jorge Garcia

     

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    0 stevekale over 8 years ago in reply to autodeskguest

    Hi.  Okay - hopefully I will be VERY pleasantly surprised.  image One can only justify so much expense for a hobby without expectations of commercial reward.  I can not imagine ever needing a board 1/10th (1/20th even) of the size afforded by Ultimate.  On the other hand, 100mm x 80mm isn't even big enough for a quality DIY audio amplifier power supply.  The board I would like to be working on now has a target size of roughly 75mm x 200mm. At a real stretch I might imagine a need for 100mm x 400mm but that would be the outer limits.  And no more than 4 layers.

     

    To the 12th!

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    0 e14candies over 8 years ago

    You can use some tricks and special editing commands to make a larger board

    if you really need to, however, it is much easier to upgrade Eagle to the

    size you need.  Hopefully the new pricing/versions will favor your project

    & include the improvements we've been hoping for. 

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    http://www.eaglecentral.ca :: The original and best browser access to CadSoft EAGLE support forums.  Supported by EAGLE licenses purchased through us :: http://www.eaglelicenses.com

     

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    0 rachaelp over 8 years ago

    Looking on the cadsoft.io website this morning there is now a big splash

    screen saying the biggest release of EAGLE to date is coming soon. Judging

    by the snippets shown on that screen I have to say I am really looking

    forward to this release!

     

    Best Regards,

     

    Rachael

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    http://www.eaglecentral.ca :: The original and best browser access to CadSoft EAGLE support forums.  Supported by EAGLE licenses purchased through us :: http://www.eaglelicenses.com

     

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    0 rick_b over 8 years ago

    All mention of pricing has been removed. Must be free, right? :d

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    0 stevekale over 8 years ago in reply to rick_b

    So to do a little 4-layer board it now costs me $500 a year?  I must be missing something.

     

    http://www.autodesk.com/products/eagle/blog/the-new-eagle-subscription-has-landed/?mkt_tok=eyJpIjoiTUdOak5XUTBORE5tTURJN…

     

    And who the hell pays the equivalent of $3.50 for an espresso?

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