Consistency errors

On 8/31/2016 12:00 PM, Jim McAuley wrote:

Well, its happened again. I have consistency errors. How do I resolve them. I have tried to delete the offending part from the schematic, both with the board open and closed. I have tried replacing the offending part with a new part from a brand new library. I have tried to delete the part from the schematic, close the schematic reopen the schematic and the board. I have airwires on the board but can't place or select the part. What do I try next?

 

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Hi Jim,

I hope you're doing well. Remember to always have the board and

schematic open at the same time together. That will avoid running into

consistency issues.

Remember to run the ERC often as you make changes to make sure you are

going the right direction. When you are trying to get back consistency

you need both the schematic and the board to be open at the same time.

How many errors do you have now? If the error is part is found in one

editor but not the other. Then the easiest thing to do is to remove the

part from the editor that has it.

Remember that ALL of the consistency errors must be resolved before you

can regain consistency and continue working.

hth,

Jorge Garcia

I currently have 3 errors and two warnings, all on the schematic.

The errors are "Different connections on Pins" on two different parts.

The warnings are "Only one pin on net" for two different nets.

What do I do to correct these errors, and will this get me back consistency?

Jim McAuley wrote:

 

The only thing I could do was to type in "delete E$1", or "Move E$1". No buttons or other commands that I tried had any effect. I have since deleted the board. It was faster to rebuild (1week) than to continue to flail away at something noone knows how to fix. I am now continueing to try to solve the underlying problem with my libraries. Those errors were what caused all the problems in the first place.

Like I said, that was key information which we could likely have used to help you solve your issues. It's not that nobody knows how to fix the problem, I'm sure that those of us who have commented on here to try and help you could fix your issue in a matter of minutes. Nothing in the errors you've given seemed particularly strange, the latest information about not being able to select the part would likely have lead to suggestions that may have solved your problem.

If you have a backup of your files before you deleted your board then just send them to Jorge or post them up. You've spent a week on something that should have taken minutes to fix and now deleted it out of frustration. I can understand you are frustrated but deleting it wasn't very sensible. You could just have renamed it and then it wouldn't have been associated with the schematic anymore by name and you could have created a new board that way. But again, that would have been unnecessary too as the consistency errors are all solvable and you only had 3.

Best Regards,

Rachael

I didn't spend a week working on this problem, it was over a month.

There weren't 3 errors. There were 3 consistency errors, and 19 errors, from 4 pins, on two identical parts, that I was trying to correct that caused the consistency errors.

The last time I had this consistency errors I did send the file to Jorge, who corrected the problems but didn't tell me how. So nothing was learned there.

I am still having problems with those parts.

I have not stopped trying to solve this problem with these parts.

I have edited the library over 8 time just today trying to resolve the problems.

I have created a new board with just the parts on them to try to solve the problems.

The errors are clearence errors. The part number is NQR010A. If you look up the datasheet maybe you can tell me why I keep getting these errors.

Do you have any solutions?

The errors are clearence errors. The part number is NQR010A

Hi Jim,

It is discussed here:

Clearing errors

Jim McAuley wrote:

 

I didn't spend a week working on this problem, it was over a month.

There weren't 3 errors. There were 3 consistency errors, and 19 errors, from 4 pins, on two identical parts, that I was trying to correct that caused the consistency errors.

This thread, from the title, is about consistency errors of which there are three. The week I was quoting was from your own post a few before mine.

Jim McAuley wrote:

 

I have not stopped trying to solve this problem with these parts.

I have edited the library over 8 time just today trying to resolve the problems.

I have created a new board with just the parts on them to try to solve the problems.

The errors are clearence errors. The part number is NQR010A. If you look up the datasheet maybe you can tell me why I keep getting these errors.

Do you have any solutions?

Yes, so the consistency errors aside, we need to work out why are you getting DRC errors then. The part itself is a simple 5-pin through hole with a 1.7mm pitch. It gives you a recommended pad layout which I assume you have followed. Does it appear the same in the board as your library specification? If not then it could be a DRC setting (restring maybe?) that is increasing your pad size on your through hole pads and causing the DRC errors.

The next thing to ask (or possibly the first thing I should have asked!) is have you loaded an appropriate DRC file? I usually use one of the ones supplied by the board manufacturer I am using as a starting point and make alterations form there if I need to do so.

Finally, are the DRC errors real issue you need to worry about or are they things you will just need to approve to clear the DRC error?

Best Regards,

Rachael

Jim McAuley wrote on Thu, 01 September 2016 13:06

The only thing I could do was to type in "delete E$1", or "Move E$1".

No buttons or other commands that I tried had any effect.

This smells like the appropriate origins layer wasn't displayed.

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I never adjusted, touched, or changed the layers. This also happened three times.

Am 01.09.2016 um 18:48 schrieb rachaelp:

Jim McAuley wrote:

 

I have since deleted the board, since it is faster to rebuild that to correct. I still have the original problem. The part that kept giving me errors that I could correct, is still wrong and noone knows why.

Deleting the board was totally the wrong thing to do. I suspect most of us who have commented on this could have fixed your issues in a matter of minutes if we had access to the sch/brd and the lbr containing your problematic part. The problem is either we are not getting the full story or you aren't doing exactly as people have suggested.

 

If you still have the original files and didn't just delete your only copy I suggest you either post them up so people can have a look or send the to Jorge Garcia at cadsoft (support@cadsoftusa.com (mailto:support@cadsoftusa.com)).

 

Best Regards,

 

Rachael

 

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Hi Rachael,

I think that deleting the board is sometimes the fastest way to rebuild

it correctly,

especially if someone says he doesn't know how to delete a board.

Look at this thread and the help you and others have  provided,

long  discussions which lead to nothing.

I have the impression that the poster did not do what you suggested so

no positive result.

The poster should have placed the files here and I bet the users here

would have helped immediately.

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Jim McAuley wrote:

 

I never adjusted, touched, or changed the layers. This also happened three times.

Well I would check that tOrigins and bOrigins are both turned on anyway just to be absolutely sure as per Olin's suggestion.

Alternatively is something else selecting instead of the part you are trying to select? If so you can right click and select "Next" to scroll through the items which fall within the selection area until you get to the right one.

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Hi Rachael,

 

I think that deleting the board is sometimes the fastest way to rebuild it correctly, especially if someone says he doesn't know how to delete a board.

Look at this thread and the help you and others have provided, long discussions which lead to nothing.

I have the impression that the poster did not do what you suggested so no positive result.

The poster should have placed the files here and I bet the users here would have helped immediately.

 

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Mit freundlichen Grüßen / With best regards

 

Joern Paschedag

 

I fear frustration and desperation have taken over and Jim is now battling these as well as inexperience with EAGLE. I can understand this, sometimes when you get totally bogged down in an issue you just get to a point where, no matter what, you just can't see the solution that is staring you in the face.

He has posted links to his .lbr files on another thread although they are on some strange hosting site that looks slightly like the type of site that also hosts adware and other crap so I am not downloading anything from there. He should post the .lbr file so we can get it straight from here (Jim: If you go to the advanced editor on here (Element 14) there is an attach button). As it's a commercial project I can understand why he wouldn't post the actual design files up.

Best Regards,

Rachael

On 9/1/2016 1:30 PM, Jim McAuley wrote:

I didn't spend a week working on this problem, it was over a month.

There weren't 3 errors. There were 3 consistency errors, and 19 errors, from 4 pins, on two identical parts, that I was trying to correct that caused the consistency errors.

The last time I had this consistency errors I did send the file to Jorge, who corrected the problems but didn't tell me how. So nothing was learned there.

Hi Jim,

I think the best thing we could do right now is setup a screen share

where I'm seeing what you are seeing.

Please contact support@cadsoftusa.com and we can set something up to get

this sorted. I would also suggest that you walk away from the design

from a few hours and take a break. It's difficult to think straight and

assimilate direction when you've been staring at the problem for over a

month straight.

An old proverb reads "oppression can drive the wise one into madness".

From the way these post have been developing I get the feeling that you

are probably under a time crunch. We can all relate, those are some of

the worst times in engineer's life. Send me an e-mail, and we'll arrange

a screen share and get this resolved together. That way you can see step

by step how this works.

Best Regards,

Jorge Garcia

Cadsoft Support

On 9/1/2016 1:30 PM, Jim McAuley wrote:

I didn't spend a week working on this problem, it was over a month.

There weren't 3 errors. There were 3 consistency errors, and 19 errors, from 4 pins, on two identical parts, that I was trying to correct that caused the consistency errors.

The last time I had this consistency errors I did send the file to Jorge, who corrected the problems but didn't tell me how. So nothing was learned there.

Hi Jim,

I think the best thing we could do right now is setup a screen share

where I'm seeing what you are seeing.

Please contact support@cadsoftusa.com and we can set something up to get

this sorted. I would also suggest that you walk away from the design

from a few hours and take a break. It's difficult to think straight and

assimilate direction when you've been staring at the problem for over a

month straight.

An old proverb reads "oppression can drive the wise one into madness".

From the way these post have been developing I get the feeling that you

are probably under a time crunch. We can all relate, those are some of

the worst times in engineer's life. Send me an e-mail, and we'll arrange

a screen share and get this resolved together. That way you can see step

by step how this works.

Best Regards,

Jorge Garcia

Cadsoft Support