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My RPi does not start up!!

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Former Member over 13 years ago

I tried 2 different OS on my Rpi model B but it doesn't start up properly, it loads for 5 seconds then suddenly shuts down, whats that all about?  Please help thanks.

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  • Former Member
    Former Member over 13 years ago

    sounds like power suply problem

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  • fustini
    fustini over 13 years ago

    It would be good to check the voltage at the test points TP1 & TP2 if you have a voltmeter or multimeter.  If it is below 4.75V, then it might be that the power supply you are using it not capable of powering the Pi.  More info on power problems at: http://elinux.org/R-Pi_Troubleshooting#Troubleshooting_power_problems

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  • morgaine
    morgaine over 13 years ago in reply to fustini

    Drew, your response suggested a cute idea for Pi version 3, given that the Pi is aimed at technical education ...

     

    Build in to the standard board a very cheap 0-Vcc high impedance buffered voltage sensor with say 2 or 4 channels using the GPIO inputs, and by default have one channel connected to VBUS-VIN, another to TP1, and so on, for all of the important voltages on the board, subject to available sensing channels.

     

    As soon as the VideoCore has started running and initialized its display, it can show these voltages even before the Linux kernel has begun to boot, and long before the ARM's devices and USB peripherals have started up (which is the point at which many power-related problems start to arise).  I don't know whether the VideoCore has the ability to freeze the ARM, but if it does then during Linux startup it could freeze the CPU immediately on sensing supply voltage plummeting to its death.   Using this approach it should still be able to continue displaying the voltage info despite imminent voltage collapse --- very helpful !!!

     

    (The chicken-and-egg issue of the GPIO peripherals being part of the ARM can be addressed in various ways, perhaps initializing them early as part of bootstrap, or doing this entirely in the VideoCore since it has an I/O system of its own which it uses to read the SD card.)

     

    Of course, the VideoCore being undocumented and extremely sekrit and available only to accredited developers, the open community cannot do this kind of thing for itself, a clear example of how closed systems suck.

     

    Still, it's an interesting idea with educational value.  The voltmeter could even be used as an instrument for rough external measurements once Linux has booted successfuly.  Perhaps this could be done for some ARM board that doesn't use the closed Broadcom SoC --- maybe the new Freescale i.MX6?

     

    It would certainly help early diagnosis of power supply issues on Pi, which are very common when a USB charger is used.

     

    Morgaine.

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    Former Member over 13 years ago in reply to morgaine

    The idea of measuring the voltage is good, but having a board with a wide input voltage range is better.

    It's not only chinese adapters that will cause problems. Even the european certified chargers are allowed to go as low as 4.85V under full load. This doesn't leave much margin for the polyfuse voltage drop. While the Pi might still work at lower voltages, It's hdmi signals lower in amplitude as well, so some monitors might refuse to produce a picture untill you give a hdmi_boost in config.txt.

    If they want to do it good, they need to redesign the Pi power input circuit, or they need to provide a separate module that allows a wide input voltage range. While they are up to it, they might consider adding some stuff to ensure a proper shutdown as well. I don't think childeren will be pleased if they find out their sd card with all their created stuff became corrupted. Maybe a cheap network drive in the classroom for backups?

    If they want to do it cheap, they can leave everything as it is now.

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  • morgaine
    morgaine over 13 years ago in reply to Former Member

    I agree completely, redesigning the power circuitry to accept a wide voltage range is by far the best improvement they could make.  And needless to say, it should also isolate the SoC and the supplies it provides on P1 from fluctuations caused by USB devices as well.  The current lack of voltage regulation is not good engineering.

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  • fustini
    fustini over 13 years ago in reply to morgaine

    That's a very nice idea.  It would remove the ambiguity if one could see the voltage level on screen regardless of whether one owns a DMM.  It could even show a graph of the voltage over time as it boots up.

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  • Former Member
    Former Member over 13 years ago

    First off, which two OSes are you trying, how are you writing them to the SD card, and what is the voltage of your PSU? (Edit: Also what periphals do you have attached, i.e. HDMI, composite, Ethernet, USB.  And what happens to the LEDs when your pi turns off?)

     

    Secondly, have you asked in the raspberry pi forums?  They're fairly good with answering these kind of questions.

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  • kidiccurus
    kidiccurus over 11 years ago

    Unplug everything except power and video and then try to boot. If it boots then you have a PSU issue, try a new one. It may still be the psu even if it doesn't boot, look at the information on the plug and post on the forum.

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