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FCC Certification ...

jamodio

Hi There,

 

anybody knows where I can find the FCC Part 15 Test report and certification documents for the Raspberry Pi Model A and B ?

 

Thanks & Regards

Jorge

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  • I note that Farnell UK declares very strong policy statements, which include:

     

    Statement of Quality Policy (part) [my highlighting]

     

    All employees will be appropriately trained so they understand fully the importance of meeting customer as well as statutory and regulatory requirements. All training will be recorded.

    Top management support will be given at all levels of the business to ensure that sufficient resource is available to realise customer expectations, to ensure legal compliance and to see that the requirements of any relevant national or international standards are satisfied.

     

    That sounds very professional, and it doesn't leave much room for misinterpretation.

     

    So why is there so much difficulty in locating and supplying the relevant certifications that were obtained by Raspberry Pi?  Or does the above Statement of Quality Policy apply only to Farnell UK?

  • in reply to morgaine

    I note that Farnell UK declares very strong policy statements, which include:

     

    Statement of Quality Policy (part) [my highlighting]

     

    All employees will be appropriately trained so they understand fully the importance of meeting customer as well as statutory and regulatory requirements. All training will be recorded.

     

    Top management support will be given at all levels of the business to ensure that sufficient resource is available to realise customer expectations, to ensure legal compliance and to see that the requirements of any relevant national or international standards are satisfied.

    I decided to see if any of the Newark support folks on live chat have any such training

    on FCC regulatory requirements.  Here's the relevant excerpt:

     

    me:  What are you basing your opinion on? Have you been trained at all on FCC rules?

    agent:  No I have not you may contact the FCC directly or you may contact the Raspberry PI foundation.

    agent:  I have sent you a link for that before.

    me:  Is there someone else I can chat with that has some training on FCC rules?

    agent:  We are not trained on FCC rules I apologize.

    me:  Is there someone else I can chat with that has some training on FCC rules?

    agent:  No I am sorry we do not have anyone that is trained on that in our department.

  • in reply to Former Member

    The policy statements I quoted are from Farnell UK, and unfortunately I have no information whatsoever about their relevance or otherwise to Premier Farnell as a whole.  I would certainly hope that the entire group holds to these policies (or similar ones) because that would underline their committment to professional engineering and social responsibility.  That's just my personal hope though.

     

    I'm not aware of who runs Newark's "live chat", but judging by your excerpt, it seems that they have not been trained to the policy standards of Farnell UK.  It may not be strategic to pursue that though --- beware of detours that just make the desired destination even more distant..

     

    The interest here should be purely in obtaining factual information about Pi certification, promptly, in order to meet "customer as well as statutory and regulatory requirements".  (Quoting Farnell UK again.)  I welcome anything that brings that closer.

     

    It's a bit concerning that anyone has to beg for this.  Certifications aren't supposed to be secret.

  • in reply to morgaine

    I'm not aware of who runs Newark's "live chat",

    Her name is Rachelle Sheffer, technical support manager.

    http://www.element14.com/community/thread/17930

     

    Certifications aren't supposed to be secret.

    Of course not.  And they aren't. 

    http://www.element14.com/community/docs/DOC-44828/l/raspberry-pi-safety-data-sheet

     

    What is secret is the legal justification for selling a Class B device,

    and portable computers are considered Class B devices,

    to residential customers with only a Class A certificate. 

  • in reply to Former Member

    Is that the issue here, that there is no evidence of Class B certification?  (I haven't been following the story, sorry.)

     

    If so, can't we just ask, point blank?

     

    Element14, do the existing revisions of Raspberry Pi currently being sold by the group have FCC Class B (Residential) Certification?  If they do, please link to the certificate, and if not, please confirm that it's lacking. (Don't pass the buck!)

     

    These are just matters of fact.  How hard can it be? image

  • in reply to morgaine

     

    If so, can't we just ask, point blank?

    Yes, I have asked.  The answer was:

     

    So, Class A is all that RPi were aiming for.

    It passed quite comfortably and, add to that, FCC, C-tick, REACH SVHC and RoHS compliance testing

    the board is in a much better place than it potentially was.

    Best wishes

    Gary

    http://www.element14.com/community/community/legislation/europe/other/blog/2012/04/17/the-pi-is-now-ready#comment-13475

  • in reply to morgaine

    Nobody seems to be able or willing to confirm if the Raspberry Pi has passed a Class B certification with the FCC and provide access to the appropriate test reports and certification documents.

     

    It is not a matter if it may interfere with your TV or radio but as I said before an issue of liabilities.

     

    A school district will have a hard time to approve a non-certified device that may interfere with among others devices, for example a medical device like a pacemaker, even if there is no chance for anything wrong to happen.

  • in reply to jamodio

    Premier Farnell's answer to code27 appears to describe the situation very authoritatively:

     

    Gary Nevison wrote:

     

    The board underwent EMC testing which enables one to discern if it should be classed as A or B.  From the RPi pre-compliance work it was evident that it would not meet Class B.  It did not meet the Class B limit but did meet, and comply with Class A.  It is legal to place Class A equipment on the market for use in a domestic environment in both the EU and U.S. and to affix the CE and FCC mark provided that there is a warning on the product that it may cause interference. In the case of RPi the warning is on the Safety Data Sheet (a copy of this can be found on the Raspberry Pi area of element14.

     

    That seems totally clear.  The Pi board in question (which revision?) was Class A certified only.  That was in April 2012 and things may have changed since then, but at least there can be no doubt about that specific Model B.

     

    This Raspberry Pi Safety Data Sheet is probably the one mentioned by Gary.  Note that it's dated 19th April 2012.

  • in reply to jamodio

    A school district will have a hard time to approve a non-certified device ...

    A school district doesn't actually need to worry too much about the reasons for

    the laws, such as pacemaker or TV interference, because in addition to the

    manufacture, import, or sales of non-compliant devices being prohibited,

    the "use" of such devices is also prohibited.  See for example paragraph 6 of

    the Hobby Lobby citation:

    http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-10-2220A1.pdf

  • in reply to morgaine

    That seems totally clear.  The Pi board in question (which revision?) was Class A certified only.  That was in April 2012 and things may have changed since then, but at least there can be no doubt about that specific Model B.

    Actually this part is as clear as mud:

    It is legal to place Class A equipment on the market for use in a domestic environment in both the EU and U.S. and to affix the CE and FCC mark provided that there is a warning on the product that it may cause interference. In the case of RPi the warning is on the Safety Data Sheet (a copy of this can be found on the Raspberry Pi area of element14.

    How could it possibly be true that simply supplying a warning that the product may cause interference

    would be of any value whatsoever in eliminating the requirement that Class B devices be tested to

    Class B standards.  That warning is required of all devices, whether Class A or B, and there is no

    reason to believe it has magic powers in eliminating the need for Class B certification.

     

    Gary said he would provide some authorities for that claim, but he never did, and I'm not

    holding my breath.

  • in reply to morgaine

    That FCC document that coder27 linked, "UNDERSTANDING THE FCC REGULATIONS FOR COMPUTERS AND OTHER DIGITAL DEVICES", is certainly explicit:

     

    On pages 8-9, FCC writes:

     

    What is the difference between a Class A and Class B digital device?

    If a digital device will be sold to anyone who is likely to use it in a residential
    environment then it is a Class B digital device. When determining whether a particular
    device should be classified as Class A or Class B, the Commission normally considers
    the following three questions, in this order:

        Is the marketing of the device restricted in such a manner that it is not sold to residential users?

    If a digital device is sold or offered for sale to any residential users (including
    commercial or industrial companies that could employ the equipment in a residential
    environment) then it is a Class B digital device regardless of its price or application.
    Marketing through a general retail outlet or by mail order to the general public with a
    simple disclaimer, such as "For Business Use Only," is not sufficient to qualify as
    Class A. Instead, all marketing (advertising, sale and distribution) must be restricted
    by the marketer to users in a commercial, industrial, or business environment.

        Does the application for which the device is designed generally preclude operation in residential areas?

    For example, mainframe computer systems have generally been considered Class A
    digital devices because it is highly unlikely that they would be used in residential
    environments.

        Is the price of the device high enough that there is little likelihood that it would be used in a residential environment, including a home business?

    The merits of classifying a digital device as Class A based on its price are reviewed on
    a case-by-case basis. This is because, for example, the price threshold for an I/O card
    will be different than the price threshold for a computer system configuration.


    Portable computers, because they are designed to be used anywhere, are considered
    Class B devices regardless of their price or restrictions placed on marketing. Only in
    those cases where the designed application precludes the possibility of operation in a
    residential environment may portable computers be qualified as Class A devices.

     

     

     

    What happens if one sells or imports non-compliant digital devices?

    As explained earlier, the form of authorization that is required for a digital device
    depends on how the device will be marketed. The FCC rules are designed to control
    the marketing of digital devices and, to a lesser extent, their use. If someone purchases
    a non-compliant digital device, uses it, causes interference to authorized radio
    communications, and is the subject of an FCC interference investigation, the user will
    be told to stop operating the device until the interference problem is corrected.
    However, the person (or company) that sold this non-compliant digital device to the
    user has violated the FCC marketing rules in Part 2 as well as federal law and may be
    subject to an enforcement action by the Commission's Field Operations Bureau that
    could result in one or more of the following:

    -- forfeiture of all non-compliant equipment
    -- $100,000/$200,000 criminal penalty for an individual/organization
    -- a criminal fine totalling twice the gross gain obtained from sales of the non-compliant equipment
    -- an administrative fine totalling $10,000/day per violation.

    It is the act of selling or leasing, offering to sell or lease, or importing a digital device
    that has not gone through the appropriate FCC equipment authorization procedure that
    is a violation of the Commission's rules and federal law.

     

    Yikes!

     

    If I understand the above correctly, product classification into class A or B is not a vendor option.  A product falls into one class or another depending on who is expected to buy it, and the duty then falls upon the vendor to obtain the appropriate certification, otherwise apparently it's in violation of FCC rules and federal law.  Is there any other way of understanding the above FCC statements?

     

     

    NOTES and REFERENCES.

    • Link to FCC OET (Office of Engineering and Technology) Rules and Regulations page.
    • The FCC OET  publishes the e-CFR (Electronic Code of Federal Regulations), and at the time of writing declares "e-CFR Data is current as of August 22, 2013".  The relevant item here is Title 47 (Telecommunication).
    • OET e-CFR Title 47 Part 15 (RADIO FREQUENCY DEVICES) Subpart A (General) section 15.3 (Definitions) maintains the definition of Class A and B devices that was described in the OET Bulletin 62 document that we examined above.
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  • in reply to morgaine

    That FCC document that coder27 linked, "UNDERSTANDING THE FCC REGULATIONS FOR COMPUTERS AND OTHER DIGITAL DEVICES", is certainly explicit:

     

    On pages 8-9, FCC writes:

     

    What is the difference between a Class A and Class B digital device?

    If a digital device will be sold to anyone who is likely to use it in a residential
    environment then it is a Class B digital device. When determining whether a particular
    device should be classified as Class A or Class B, the Commission normally considers
    the following three questions, in this order:

        Is the marketing of the device restricted in such a manner that it is not sold to residential users?

    If a digital device is sold or offered for sale to any residential users (including
    commercial or industrial companies that could employ the equipment in a residential
    environment) then it is a Class B digital device regardless of its price or application.
    Marketing through a general retail outlet or by mail order to the general public with a
    simple disclaimer, such as "For Business Use Only," is not sufficient to qualify as
    Class A. Instead, all marketing (advertising, sale and distribution) must be restricted
    by the marketer to users in a commercial, industrial, or business environment.

        Does the application for which the device is designed generally preclude operation in residential areas?

    For example, mainframe computer systems have generally been considered Class A
    digital devices because it is highly unlikely that they would be used in residential
    environments.

        Is the price of the device high enough that there is little likelihood that it would be used in a residential environment, including a home business?

    The merits of classifying a digital device as Class A based on its price are reviewed on
    a case-by-case basis. This is because, for example, the price threshold for an I/O card
    will be different than the price threshold for a computer system configuration.


    Portable computers, because they are designed to be used anywhere, are considered
    Class B devices regardless of their price or restrictions placed on marketing. Only in
    those cases where the designed application precludes the possibility of operation in a
    residential environment may portable computers be qualified as Class A devices.

     

     

     

    What happens if one sells or imports non-compliant digital devices?

    As explained earlier, the form of authorization that is required for a digital device
    depends on how the device will be marketed. The FCC rules are designed to control
    the marketing of digital devices and, to a lesser extent, their use. If someone purchases
    a non-compliant digital device, uses it, causes interference to authorized radio
    communications, and is the subject of an FCC interference investigation, the user will
    be told to stop operating the device until the interference problem is corrected.
    However, the person (or company) that sold this non-compliant digital device to the
    user has violated the FCC marketing rules in Part 2 as well as federal law and may be
    subject to an enforcement action by the Commission's Field Operations Bureau that
    could result in one or more of the following:

    -- forfeiture of all non-compliant equipment
    -- $100,000/$200,000 criminal penalty for an individual/organization
    -- a criminal fine totalling twice the gross gain obtained from sales of the non-compliant equipment
    -- an administrative fine totalling $10,000/day per violation.

    It is the act of selling or leasing, offering to sell or lease, or importing a digital device
    that has not gone through the appropriate FCC equipment authorization procedure that
    is a violation of the Commission's rules and federal law.

     

    Yikes!

     

    If I understand the above correctly, product classification into class A or B is not a vendor option.  A product falls into one class or another depending on who is expected to buy it, and the duty then falls upon the vendor to obtain the appropriate certification, otherwise apparently it's in violation of FCC rules and federal law.  Is there any other way of understanding the above FCC statements?

     

     

    NOTES and REFERENCES.

    • Link to FCC OET (Office of Engineering and Technology) Rules and Regulations page.
    • The FCC OET  publishes the e-CFR (Electronic Code of Federal Regulations), and at the time of writing declares "e-CFR Data is current as of August 22, 2013".  The relevant item here is Title 47 (Telecommunication).
    • OET e-CFR Title 47 Part 15 (RADIO FREQUENCY DEVICES) Subpart A (General) section 15.3 (Definitions) maintains the definition of Class A and B devices that was described in the OET Bulletin 62 document that we examined above.
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