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Exploring alternate methods for providing DC power to Raspberry Pi

colporteur
colporteur over 3 years ago

I'm in need of a battery power solution for a Raspberry Pi?

My plan was to use a 5VDC lithium-ion battery connected via the USB micro connector to power the Pi. I have had to rethink this because of extreme space limitations. The power connector on the Pi makes it a difficult fit in the space that I am using.

My next thought was to connect the battery directly to the 5V and GND pins. I seem to recall that this could be used on Pi's. I then stumbled across an article that suggested, if this method is used, the circuit would require a Universal Battery Eliminator Circuit (UBEC). I have no voltage level issues. The battery supply is 5VDC. Unless the UBED offers some protection I'm not aware of, I don't need its capabilities of managing different input voltages. This shook my confidence of using the pins.

What are your thoughts on providing alternate power to a Pi? Can I do it through the pin header? This is my preferred solution. Are there any requirements I need to be aware of to make this an alternate solution?

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  • robogary
    0 robogary over 3 years ago

    Pin header is cool, I've done it. I like to use 7.4V or 11.1V LiPos, and an adjustable buck power supply, fed into a diode , then to the Pi header pins.

    The buck PS can be adjusted for 5V + whatever voltage drop you get across the blocking diode. 

    I tend to overdo the battery size mA hr, if you just want to make it thru the track once , a baby size lipo, maybe  wire qty 2 150mAhr 3.7 V in series would do the trick. 

      https://www.etechnophiles.com/rpi-zero-2w-board-layout-pinout-specs-price/

    The DC-DC converter chip doesnt seem to have  significant transient protections built in. 

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  • gpolder
    0 gpolder over 3 years ago in reply to robogary
    robogary said:
    Pin header is cool

    how did you do this, what kind of jumper wires did you use, one pin or 2? a Pi 4 can draw 3A, so the connector should be suitable for that. 

    The Chinese jumper wires from my junk box are certainly not.

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  • colporteur
    0 colporteur over 3 years ago in reply to robogary

    image

    In the past, if larger gauge wire was used, I would solder the wire to a 2.54 pin. You can crimp it but it can make a mess of the insulation on the wire depending on how thick it is. I then heat shrink to protect the pin. It has worked for me and since I don't have another solution, I will use it again.. This will be the first power connection I have done using this method. I have always managed to make the PS work. This project doesn't afford me a PS.

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    0 gpolder over 3 years ago in reply to anniel747

    these connectors are 1A per pin, so with two 5V input pins you have 2A max.

    I would propose to buy an official raspberry pi 4 power supply, cut the wire with the cable and throw away the power supply.

    They are really cheap, price is comparable to a bare cable:

    Buy Now

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  • Jan Cumps
    0 Jan Cumps over 3 years ago in reply to gpolder

    I was thinking the same. But colporteur wrote in the first post that there's no room for the USB connector in his design.

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    0 gpolder over 3 years ago in reply to Jan Cumps

    ok, you are right, forgot about that, I was more thinking for a solution for my own project Sweat smile

    On the other hand he is not using a Pi 4, so in that case it could work with proper pin headers and wiring.

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    0 colporteur over 3 years ago in reply to gpolder

    much appreciate the input just the same.

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    0 robogary over 3 years ago in reply to gpolder

    Found these adapter cables on Amazon, sez 16 AWG, I have my doubts on that .....but here is a link to have a look https://www.amazon.com/Jienk-Terminal-Connector-Extension-Screwdriver/dp/B096RQNN8C/ref=sr_1_3?crid=1R8PJRO6AT2FN&keywords=Screw%2BTerminal%2BBlock%2BConnector%2Bto%2BUSB%2BC&qid=1649344174&s=electronics&sprefix=screw%2Bterminal%2Bblock%2Bconnector%2Bto%2Busb%2Bc%2Celectronics%2C132&sr=1-3&th=1

    Another option to backfeeding GPIO with 5V. 

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    0 colporteur over 3 years ago in reply to robogary

    Looks interesting, much appreciated. I have been doing some reading about power supplies and their impacts on Pi4s. 16gauge is a step up from the typical 18 found in some power supplies. I have added it to an Amazon wish list for the next time I place an order.

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    0 robogary over 3 years ago in reply to colporteur

    The RPI4 uses the USB-C connector, the link is for that adapter. The RPi 3 uses a micro USB.   https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07PJYVH12/ref=ox_sc_act_title_2?smid=A3MDC9KUHU6B27&psc=1

    There are a variety of these adapters depending on the USB type. 

    I'm starting to really like the idea of powering a project this way. It makes it easy to unplug the upstream battery, interlocking & buck power supply, and plug in the AC power supply when doing the project development & debugging.   

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  • gpolder
    0 gpolder over 3 years ago in reply to robogary

    Looks great indeed, 16 AWG is 1.3 mm diameter, in this case 5 of them in the cable plus insulation, so I guess the cable diameter should be around 8 mm ???? From the image I don't think it is the case. So I share your doubts.

    But worth giving it a try.

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    0 shabaz over 3 years ago in reply to gpolder

    It can be a real pain to power Pi 4 once requirements deviate even slightly from what the official charger offers : (

    For that cable I think it's likely they are specifying 16 AWG for the connector screw-holes, not the attached wire. Still, if the length is short, maybe that could be ok. I had problems with this Anker charger and  what I believe is a good cable, but happened to be long. I swapped out the cable for a cheaper shorter cable (this one), 0.9m length) and now at least the Pi 4 isn't unexpectedly crashing! I've not subjected it to a lot of load though. I like that the charger has figure-8 mains cable.

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    0 shabaz over 3 years ago in reply to gpolder

    It can be a real pain to power Pi 4 once requirements deviate even slightly from what the official charger offers : (

    For that cable I think it's likely they are specifying 16 AWG for the connector screw-holes, not the attached wire. Still, if the length is short, maybe that could be ok. I had problems with this Anker charger and  what I believe is a good cable, but happened to be long. I swapped out the cable for a cheaper shorter cable (this one), 0.9m length) and now at least the Pi 4 isn't unexpectedly crashing! I've not subjected it to a lot of load though. I like that the charger has figure-8 mains cable.

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