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Pi Pico Eurocard - SD Card signals

Jan Cumps
Jan Cumps over 2 years ago

follow up of an earlier discussion: what do the SD Card signals look like on an oscilloscope.

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I've made these connections with the oscilloscope:

EuroCard Pico pin function channel
*CS IO13 SPI1 CSn 4 dark blue
MOSI IO11 SPI1 TX 2 light blue
SCLK IO10 SPI1 SCK 1 yellow
MISO IO12 SPI1 RX 3 magenta

All channels are set to 2 V/div. Here are the results of the start of a communication.:

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All 3 scope captures are based on a single sample. Just different locations and time-base views.
This is the old sloppy sample that Michael refers to in the 1st comment:

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  • Jan Cumps
    Jan Cumps over 2 years ago

    Initial part of a format sequence

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  • Jan Cumps
    Jan Cumps over 2 years ago

    One of the dev board advantages, is that you can measure current of the Pico fairly easy. By using external power (can be the PicoProbe or one of the options at the left side of the board). And using a current meter instead of a jumper.

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    This is the envelope when activating the SD card and do some reads/writes.
    For real low power designs* you may want to remove the LED, and pull-ups of peripherals you don't use.

    * pico MCU in its current version isn't targeting very low power. An upside of that is that it's a bit easier to start learning to collect power consumption data with it.

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  • shabaz
    shabaz over 2 years ago in reply to Jan Cumps

    Hi Jan,

    That's very interesting, seeing this measurement when the micro SD card is used. Good point to disconnect the LEDs. I didn't think of the power LED : (

    Incidentally, in the later 2.2 revision, there are additional 0-ohm resistors in the 5V and 3.3V rails, just in case anyone ever wants to replace with a small resistor to use as a shunt resistor (or swap out to a small polyfuse if desired). But desoldering a 0-ohm resistor is not as convenient as the method of just unplugging the jumper as you did.

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  • shabaz
    shabaz over 2 years ago in reply to Jan Cumps

    Just thinking, if the ADC in the RP2040 is any good (I've not used it), then there's an argument for making the Picoprobe do a bit more, and take current readings too : ) 

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  • Jan Cumps
    Jan Cumps over 2 years ago in reply to shabaz

    It's not that good. In the current silicon design, the ADC is the known sick baby. There's an errata for it, but not a solution.

    Good enough for some current sampling though.

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  • Jan Cumps
    Jan Cumps over 2 years ago in reply to shabaz

    I think it's fair to accept that a prototyper can solder / desolder SMD resistors (if you don't use 0402).

    In my wildest dreams, the prototype area would be SMD, not through-hole.
    Although I believe the two can live together - if the current through-hole configuration stays the same: pads at the bottom layer, with drill holes. And an SMD copper-only pattern is available on the top side.

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  • shabaz
    shabaz over 2 years ago in reply to Jan Cumps

    I think if hobbyists have tried and not found 0805 (and 0603) easy, they are perhaps doing one or more of these:

    • Using a very large soldering iron and/or not using decent solder <= 0.5 mm dia
    • Not using eye improvement equipment like a head-magnifier (way easier and cheaper than cameras etc)
    • Using incorrect tweezers that make the part go flying.

    Speaking of the latter, I misplaced my decent (VOMM) tweezers a couple of months ago, and parts now fly in the air with some regularity. I have ordered a replacement, I hope it's as good as the VOMM I had which was excellent ( ~ 0% chance of components being launched with them) but that particular one is no longer easy to obtain. I went with these ones below, which appear to be identical shape and size to what I lost. I think they are both the same shape, one is slightly lower-cost than the other, so it will be a backup if the other ever gets misplaced: 

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