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Power Raspberry PI using Solar Panel

feiticeir0
feiticeir0 4 months ago

Hi all.

Following a project - AllSky - taking photos all night at the sky - I want to place the PI - Raspberry PI 4 B+ 4GB memory using a SSD NVMe 512GB  - where I don't have a power outlet.

I've the following setup:

- Solar Panel -

  • max power: 20W
  • Vmpp: 18.2V
  • Voc: 22.6V
  • Impp: 1.12A
  • short-circuit: 1.18A

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That connects to a Waveshare Solar Power Manager (C), that is powered by 3x 18650 batteries - each battery has 3350mAh - NCR18650B.

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I've set the setup voltage switch for 12V - the same as the solar panel.

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I don't have a problem with the charging. It charges very well, to full charge.

My problem is, it just wont last all night.

Starting to take pictures at 21:30 (9pm), it only lasts to (the last picture taken) 3:44 (3:44am) . Just over 6h.. This can't be right.

My question is - what can I do to make it last longer. Should I buy more powerful batteries - like 5000mAh or more ? Chose other solar charger ?

I have the Raspberry PI Lite version - and I've disabled some unwanted services like - bluetooth, avahi-daemon, triggerhappy, etc.. I even disabled the status LEDS... Slight smile

Any idea would be great.

Thank you

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  • shabaz
    shabaz 4 months ago

    Finger-in-the-air measurement came out to 6 hours. There's about 30Wh of energy in three cells total (that's more realistic than assuming that they support precisely what they are labeled as), and if you're running a Pi and SSD, I guessed at 5W, but there will be some losses too in conversion. So that's ballpark 6 hours, maybe +- 1 hour for the conversion losses and actual battery capability being slightly different than my guess). I think if you don't wish to change hardware and if OS and software can not be tweaked further then the battery is possibly the current bottleneck (but I've no idea if more solar capability is needed if the battery size is increased).  

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  • mswope63
    mswope63 4 months ago

    I have a few suggestions:

    1) you may consider changing to a lighter Raspberry Pi model - like a Pi Zero or Pi Zero W.  Capturing photos doesn't take a lot of computing power.

    2) you may consider losing the SSD.  If you are simply taking photos at night, you can probably capture on the Micro-SD and offload in the morning w/o problems if you have a large enough card.

    3) depending on where you've placed your equipment, low temperatures can severely affect your battery discharge.

    4) finally, you should try to measure the average current load of your running PI to estimate how to size your battery plant.

    Good luck!

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  • beacon_dave
    beacon_dave 4 months ago

    What's the time interval like between image captures ? Can you shut the power-hungry R-Pi 4 down between images and then use an ultra low power microcontroller to wake it up before the next one is due ?

    Looks like AllSky can run on a lower-powered R-Pi:

    "A Raspberry Pi (Zero 2, 2, 3, 4) running Pi OS."

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  • robogary
    robogary 4 months ago

    Slow down the clock ? Add another battery pack in parallel ? For sure if the nights get longer , it will need longer life.

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  • ntewinkel
    ntewinkel 4 months ago in reply to beacon_dave
    beacon_dave said:
    Can you shut the power-hungry R-Pi 4 down between images

    It looks like there’s no sleep-wake mode on the RPi  (unless that’s a recent addition?), so like you said, it would have to be a shutdown-halt, and then the micro controller triggers a reset (restart).

    You’d have to reduce the start up as much as possible, and I wonder if the starting power draw would offset the savings?

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  • shabaz
    shabaz 4 months ago in reply to beacon_dave

    It looks like the default for that AllSky software may be 10-second exposures, every 10 seconds, so it's possible the Pi cannot be shut down unless there are boring intervals (e.g. if one is only interested between certain times of the night maybe). A lower power Pi is definitely a good idea! I think Pi 3B used a lot less power than Pi 4 (from memory), so that would squeeze out another hour or two.

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  • feiticeir0
    feiticeir0 4 months ago in reply to robogary

    Hi !

    I know that in the winter, with longer nights, I'll need more power. How would that work ? A parallel battery pack ? I'm all for that.

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    feiticeir0 4 months ago in reply to beacon_dave

    I could use a lower RPI, but this is the one the recommend. They even go for the 8GB memory RPi 4. Probably a less power hungry one, like a RPi 3 b+. I have those . I will try .

    The pictures are 1 minute apart during nighttime.

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  • feiticeir0
    feiticeir0 4 months ago in reply to mswope63

    Thank you.

    I went for the SSD because of space. A SDCard will surely draw less power. I will try with a SD Card.  I will consider a 3B+ . They don't recommend Pi Zero (1 or 2) .

    I'm from Portugal. Now, it's summer. In my town - interior of Portugal,in the middle of the country, almost near Spain, I'm getting 35+ degrees celcius during the day and 20+ at night..

    I have one of those usb devices that measure power - will check that.

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  • beacon_dave
    beacon_dave 4 months ago in reply to feiticeir0

    Voltaic do some larger solar power banks which might be worth a look ?

    https://voltaicsystems.com/battery-packs  

    Their larger laptop ones are designed for use with 18v panels and are rated at 88.8Wh and 246.6Wh capacity.

    They have an 'always on' output power feature as well.

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