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Miller DX200 welder SEMIKRON SkiiP 33NEC125T2 Power IGBT Module

mb443
mb443 over 3 years ago

imageThe hot topic for those who owns DX200 welder and willing to participate in re-implementing of the original PowerModule on discrete elements.

This is continuation of the discussion and efforts already put into at other forum:  Miller Boost Circuit Board Assembly NO. 200841

This is a restoration project attempt of reproducing using discreet components an obsolete  power module  which SkiiP 33NEC125T2 no longer produced by SEMIKRON.

DISCLAIMER: This is a high voltage project DANGER. Anyone who joins this experimental project need to be aware of high voltage (up to 1000v) and high currents (up to 100A) which is a high risk and requires to be qualified to work with such circuits and can be done only at your own risk.

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  • lanuser
    lanuser over 3 years ago in reply to mb443 +1
    I am no longer interested working on this project. Seems to me besides two people nobody else step forward. I have specially missed one pin on Schematic design, after I ask you to double check my work…
  • alvideo
    alvideo over 3 years ago in reply to alvideo +1
    I redraw module inside wiring like original, exept i added for all IGBT gate resistors. In wiring connectors names are like in module picture (see below). ` Here some more wiring outside…
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  • lanuser
    lanuser over 3 years ago

    I do not take credit for someone else's work.

    Here is the assumed topology of the OEM diagram:

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    I am doing in this order:

    Separate Diode Power Bridge Rectifiers from IGBT components to reduce a heat spread.

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    OEM PART IMAGES:

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    Now side by side:

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    Here is someone else's work so I do NOT take credit for reverse engineering ( also this all just assumption based on this diagram )

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    Based on the diagram on the image following components is no longer available for sale:

    Component released on : July 2007

    And last but not leased another member of this forum made a PCB preview ( PCB not complete and needs redesign )

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  • mb443
    mb443 over 3 years ago in reply to lanuser

    it seems the bottom right corner of the original has 4 IGBTs in parallel which are used for PFC, not really critical if higher amps IGBTs used.

    Another thing is I will attempt to measure the threshold value of Vge for main IGBTs. Will publish when I'm done, so we can compare with FGL40N120 on schema above.

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  • lanuser
    lanuser over 3 years ago in reply to alvideo

    Do you have your Brocken / Damaged Module on hand?

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  • serg200010
    serg200010 over 3 years ago in reply to lanuser

    Yes i do

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  • lanuser
    lanuser over 3 years ago in reply to alvideo

    IMO, Zenner's should be on all IGBT gates. Also R4 R6 10k 

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  • lanuser
    lanuser over 3 years ago in reply to serg200010

    Excellent!

    With your approval will be interested to isolate damaged part in Power Module and replaced with external components.

    Also will be nice, If someone has discord channel. 

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  • serg200010
    serg200010 over 3 years ago in reply to lanuser

    I have enough K25H120J (30pcs),may be we can use it

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  • serg200010
    serg200010 over 3 years ago in reply to serg200010

    K25H1203 - 30pcs

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  • serg200010
    serg200010 over 3 years ago in reply to lanuser

    The rest of the parts are not a problem.

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  • lanuser
    lanuser over 3 years ago in reply to serg200010

    Before moving forward!

    Did you fix the board the one made your Power Module damage? 

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  • serg200010
    serg200010 over 3 years ago in reply to lanuser

    Yes i did. I will share what was broken, tomorrow. 

    I have two welder, and two igbt, first igbt working and i fix welder aswell, another welder has a broken igbt and i fixed boards. I have checked all boards they are working. What do i need to do, buy new igbt or making hand-made substitute 

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  • lanuser
    lanuser over 3 years ago in reply to serg200010

    Understood.

    Can you take some pics of your broken PM?

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  • lanuser
    lanuser over 3 years ago in reply to serg200010

    Understood.

    Can you take some pics of your broken PM?

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  • serg200010
    serg200010 over 3 years ago in reply to lanuser

    Sure, PM what is that? 

    I can take any pictures you need.

    I'll list parts which were broken as well.

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  • lanuser
    lanuser over 3 years ago in reply to serg200010

    PM = Power Module

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  • serg200010
    serg200010 over 3 years ago in reply to lanuser

    Ok np, will do tommorow.

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  • serg200010
    serg200010 over 3 years ago in reply to lanuser

    imageimage

    C11, C18,D2,R6,Q11

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    Q4,Q3,Q1,Q2,Q8Q24,Q25,D19,D20,VR4

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    C11,C18

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    Q4 - is broken

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    it is ok

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    it is ok

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  • lanuser
    lanuser over 3 years ago in reply to serg200010

    Have you checked if all  leads on Q4 are shorted?

    Also check diode next to Q4

    image

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  • serg200010
    serg200010 over 3 years ago in reply to lanuser

    I will check and let you know in 2 hours. 

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  • lanuser
    lanuser over 3 years ago in reply to serg200010

    Also check this part:

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  • serg200010
    serg200010 over 3 years ago in reply to lanuser

    Yes, it is working well. I have installed this IGBT and welder start working like a new))))

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  • serg200010
    serg200010 over 3 years ago in reply to lanuser

    this IRF640 working well. This board is already fixed. and working. I will take a picture

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    lanuser over 3 years ago in reply to serg200010

    Have you checked Diode on PM? 

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