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Miller DX200 welder SEMIKRON SkiiP 33NEC125T2 Power IGBT Module

mb443
mb443 over 3 years ago

imageThe hot topic for those who owns DX200 welder and willing to participate in re-implementing of the original PowerModule on discrete elements.

This is continuation of the discussion and efforts already put into at other forum:  Miller Boost Circuit Board Assembly NO. 200841

This is a restoration project attempt of reproducing using discreet components an obsolete  power module  which SkiiP 33NEC125T2 no longer produced by SEMIKRON.

DISCLAIMER: This is a high voltage project DANGER. Anyone who joins this experimental project need to be aware of high voltage (up to 1000v) and high currents (up to 100A) which is a high risk and requires to be qualified to work with such circuits and can be done only at your own risk.

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  • lanuser
    lanuser over 3 years ago in reply to mb443 +1
    I am no longer interested working on this project. Seems to me besides two people nobody else step forward. I have specially missed one pin on Schematic design, after I ask you to double check my work…
  • alvideo
    alvideo over 3 years ago in reply to alvideo +1
    I redraw module inside wiring like original, exept i added for all IGBT gate resistors. In wiring connectors names are like in module picture (see below). ` Here some more wiring outside…
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  • lanuser
    lanuser over 3 years ago

    I do not take credit for someone else's work.

    Here is the assumed topology of the OEM diagram:

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    I am doing in this order:

    Separate Diode Power Bridge Rectifiers from IGBT components to reduce a heat spread.

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    OEM PART IMAGES:

    image image

    Now side by side:

    imageimage

    Here is someone else's work so I do NOT take credit for reverse engineering ( also this all just assumption based on this diagram )

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    Based on the diagram on the image following components is no longer available for sale:

    Component released on : July 2007

    And last but not leased another member of this forum made a PCB preview ( PCB not complete and needs redesign )

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  • mb443
    mb443 over 3 years ago in reply to lanuser

    it seems the bottom right corner of the original has 4 IGBTs in parallel which are used for PFC, not really critical if higher amps IGBTs used.

    Another thing is I will attempt to measure the threshold value of Vge for main IGBTs. Will publish when I'm done, so we can compare with FGL40N120 on schema above.

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  • lanuser
    lanuser over 3 years ago in reply to serg200010

    Also check this part:

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  • serg200010
    serg200010 over 3 years ago in reply to lanuser

    Yes, it is working well. I have installed this IGBT and welder start working like a new))))

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  • serg200010
    serg200010 over 3 years ago in reply to lanuser

    this IRF640 working well. This board is already fixed. and working. I will take a picture

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  • lanuser
    lanuser over 3 years ago in reply to serg200010

    Have you checked Diode on PM? 

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  • serg200010
    serg200010 over 3 years ago in reply to lanuser

    Yes, it is ok

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  • lanuser
    lanuser over 3 years ago in reply to serg200010

    So when you will be ready?

    Make sure in power line you put 300W light bulb to prevent damage.

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  • mb443
    mb443 over 3 years ago in reply to serg200010

    What IGBT you replaced with the damaged Q4 IGBT on the PowerModule and I'm confused about Mosfet that you mentioned IRF640... where it was replaced?  Did you solder wires to damaged IGBT through side of the PM and placed new one outside somehow? Can we ask you for a picture on how it's done? 

    Wondering what happened to C11 C18, are they shorted? or replaced due to high ESR?

    Also, found that's your K25N120H3 should be a great fit instead of a burned IGBT except that they are in TO-247 case, and too large... unless you placed it as an external.

    They are Infinion design full name - IKW25N120H3 w/ 1200v 25A(hot) to 50A(normal), handle up to 100A for short time. And they have an excellent Vce saturation, only 2.05V! So, lot less size radiator is needed for them. Two in parallel would perfectly replace what is needed on a new replacement board.

    www.digikey.com/.../ikw25n120h3.html

    The only problem is a large size of TO-247. If anybody comes across similar but n smaller packaging please share.  

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  • serg200010
    serg200010 over 3 years ago in reply to mb443

    no, i jst cut wires connected to damaged igbt inside module, please check the picture.

    IRF640  - installed on the main board 

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  • serg200010
    serg200010 over 3 years ago in reply to lanuser

    The welder is working without any problem, I can't load it so much but it is working

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  • lanuser
    lanuser over 3 years ago in reply to serg200010

    Just want to confirm with you:

    You are no longer interested to work on the project?

    Or you want to move forward?

    Thanks.

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    lanuser over 3 years ago in reply to serg200010

    Just want to confirm with you:

    You are no longer interested to work on the project?

    Or you want to move forward?

    Thanks.

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  • serg200010
    serg200010 over 3 years ago in reply to lanuser

    It is interesting lets move forward

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  • lanuser
    lanuser over 3 years ago in reply to serg200010

    Ok,

    So we know 1 bank of IGT's has damage.... to be more correct  1 IGBT has problem  ( the one you cut out )

    Lets isolate that entire bank of "damaged"  iGBT's  site, by placing isolation type between PM and PCB.

    Also may I ask what type of IGBT's you have on hand? Could you please take a pic and post it here?

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  • serg200010
    serg200010 over 3 years ago in reply to lanuser

    It is 1am now, lets do this tomorrow

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  • lanuser
    lanuser over 3 years ago in reply to serg200010

    No rush,

    Whenever you get free time.

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  • mb443
    mb443 over 3 years ago in reply to serg200010

    hello @serg200010  can you please send us a few shots and update on latest changes 

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  • serg200010
    serg200010 over 3 years ago in reply to mb443

    I just ordered cd4093 in DIP case waiting for them,  I'll let forum know when i fix the board

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  • lanuser
    lanuser over 3 years ago in reply to serg200010

    123

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  • serg200010
    serg200010 over 3 years ago in reply to lanuser

    Texas doesn't work unfortunately.

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  • alvideo
    alvideo over 3 years ago in reply to serg200010

    In Miller Dynasty 200 DX PC10 (boost board) I replace all originals (3 qty.) with CD4093BE, works perfectly.

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  • lanuser
    lanuser over 3 years ago in reply to alvideo

    Amazing and congrats!

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