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Flexible PCBs; Any interest, and any tips? (NOT a discussion about specific PCB manufacturers, that will get reported, so no spam please : )

shabaz
shabaz over 1 year ago

The cost of prototype flex PCBs seems to have come down a _lot_ with some (not all) prototype PCB manufacturers.

Here's an example quote from a popular (3-letter name) prototype PCB manufacturer, for a 2-layer 160x100mm board with a lot of holes (I randomly chose Gerber files for a normal FR4 project, to generate this quote for now), and ENIG finish by default. $33 for 5 boards, so $6.60 per board basically,. This might actually be cheaper than an FR4 ENIG board!

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These are the options (default settings); the board thickness is 0.11mm:

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Another popular PCB manufacturer (one that is famous for a lot of spam) is currently quoting $158 for five boards of similar size, so that's quite a difference!

I had a variety of general questions since I've never done a flex PCB design.

Could these be useful for perhaps creating membrane-style keyboards? I'm thinking that perhaps the solder mask might be thick enough to create separation between the flex PCB and (say) an FR4 base, to create a PCB maybe. Alternatively, a laser-cut sheet could be placed in between for added separation. Has anyone tried such a thing? I'm considering it for a keypad with many dozens of keys for a variant of this project:  Triggered Sound FX: On-the-Fly Sound Mixing with Pi Pico  

Are there any tips/tricks for flex PCBs? For instance, are there particular components or connectors that lend themselves to such use, and are some components best avoided? Any checklist you use for flex PCB designs?

Would you rarely apply components to a flex PCB (using it as an interconnect), or are you comfortable with components on them? Both sides or one side? : )

Has anyone tried soldering flex PCB directly to a FR4 PCB? I have done this with the flex on some LCD displays, and it is great; they have tiny holes for allowing the flux or excess solder to pop out of, and it works very well. I was wondering if the prototype flex PCB would behave the same as the flex on typical LCD screens.

Any problems with warpage, etc., i.e., if the flex PCB outline is intricate, will it curl up while it is being manufactured, potentially getting damaged?

Are any particular copper features or trace thicknesses best avoided for portions of flex that may be bent a lot (or even repeatedly)?

What applications do you have for flex PCBs? Are you considering them for any prototype or product, perhaps where you would typically not consider them, now that they are lower cost?

I apologize for all the questions, but I figure someone must ask the basic questions!

All comments are welcome! (apart from spam!).

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  • shabaz
    shabaz over 1 year ago +3
    Some research via Google images.. The style using metal springy domes is quite common, and the top surface can be plastic with raised bumps. I don't want a clicky tact-switch style keypad, but if that…
  • wolfgangfriedrich
    wolfgangfriedrich over 1 year ago +3
    Back in time, I did a collection of design and best practices articles. hackaday.io/.../164461-flex-pcb-design-information And probably the most impotant lesson I have learnt is, that a 2mil polyimide…
  • baldengineer
    baldengineer over 1 year ago in reply to shabaz +3
    Uneven heating is usually a different type of crack. It is possible that one side of the capacitor gets anchored, and then the other tries to move, creating a flex-like crack. Flex cracks start at the…
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  • wolfgangfriedrich
    wolfgangfriedrich over 1 year ago

    Back in time,  I did a collection of design and best practices articles.

    hackaday.io/.../164461-flex-pcb-design-information

    And probably the most impotant lesson I have learnt is, that a 2mil polyimide with single sided copper traces flex stackup is flexible. A 5mil with two-sided 2oz copper planes not so much. 

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    shabaz over 1 year ago in reply to wolfgangfriedrich

    Hi Wolfgang,

    That's brilliant.. I've downloaded all the documents to read! After all that, I think I will have decent confidence to move forward. I will probably create a test board with different features on it, to get to know the material, it will have various membrane button attempts on it too. It will be nice to get some experience with the material.

    I have a sheet of double-sided copper-clad flexible PCB which I've occasionally been using small offcuts of without etching, and the one I have is not thick copper but does feel somewhat stiff due to the large copper areas, so I can only imagine that 2oz would have indeed been quite stiff.

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    shabaz over 1 year ago in reply to wolfgangfriedrich

    Hi Wolfgang,

    That's brilliant.. I've downloaded all the documents to read! After all that, I think I will have decent confidence to move forward. I will probably create a test board with different features on it, to get to know the material, it will have various membrane button attempts on it too. It will be nice to get some experience with the material.

    I have a sheet of double-sided copper-clad flexible PCB which I've occasionally been using small offcuts of without etching, and the one I have is not thick copper but does feel somewhat stiff due to the large copper areas, so I can only imagine that 2oz would have indeed been quite stiff.

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