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Help Testing Relay

HBPhillie
HBPhillie over 1 year ago

I would like to replace what I think is a faulty relay on my jacuzzi board... but there are 4 P&B T92S7D12-12 Relays on this board... My question(s)

How do I test these .. the Jacuzzi J330 is powered by 220 VAC.  Do I need to remove them?  

I have some Engineering degrees but not much electronics experience.  I think I see that these are double pole and I might need to power the 'input' side and read the switching sides?  If this sounds like I'm not sure how to do this you're reading correctly.  I've actually already replaced the board but I want to see if I can diagnose the problem with the old one.

Thank you for any help.

Tom

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  • dougw
    dougw over 1 year ago +2
    https://www.te.com/commerce/DocumentDelivery/DDEController?Action=srchrtrv&DocNm=1308242_T92&DocType=DS&DocLang=English You can see from the datasheet these operate from 12 Vdc across the coil. You…
  • dougw
    dougw over 1 year ago in reply to HBPhillie +2
    Try some resistance measurements before removing components (with the card disconnected from power). It may tell you a lot with a lot less work.
  • kmikemoo
    kmikemoo over 1 year ago in reply to HBPhillie +2
    Good plan. Resistance testing on the PCB is usually complicated by the snubber diodes across the coils. I default to the Goesinta/Goesouta test. If the circuit provides power to the relay but the contacts…
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  • phoenixcomm
    0 phoenixcomm over 1 year ago

     HBPhillie  I don't know which one you have but that relay comes in two formats, one mounts through-hole (soldered), and the other is spade terminals maybe plugged into a socket.

    If you are lucky and they are socketed you can always swap them. start at 1 swap it with 2, test, no swap to original. then swap 1 with 3, and the beet goes on. ~!~ Good Luck Cris

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    anniel747 over 1 year ago in reply to phoenixcomm
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    0 HBPhillie over 1 year ago in reply to anniel747

    Correct, they are soldered.  

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    0 anniel747 over 1 year ago in reply to HBPhillie

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    0 phoenixcomm over 1 year ago in reply to anniel747

     anniel747  HBPhillie Hey life is not fair then you are stuck!! The world sometimes gives you onions!!  too bad, now you have to turn them all on and measure the standing voltage across the relay coils when the unit is ON. vs resistance when OFF,  you are looking for one coil that is out of range. according to the datasheet, a 12v coil has a resistance of 86 ohms. you are looking for one coil that is out of range or open. 

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    0 HBPhillie over 1 year ago in reply to phoenixcomm

    Thank you.  When you look at the data sheet my coil appears to be the one on the right... there are 2 pins on the one right, one left... at the other end are 2 sets of 2 pins each (total or 4 pins) ... I say 'pins' but each pin has 2 solder points so a total of 6 pins each with 2 points projecting thru the board to be soldered.  I know this doesn't sound very 'technical' but I don't know the correct terminology .   I know that if I understand which pin is which... I can unsolder these (unless I can test them on the board), I can rig up a 12 volt power supply and I can read the resistance at the switch ends.  what I'm missing is an understanding of which pin is which.

    Thank you. Tom

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    0 HBPhillie over 1 year ago in reply to phoenixcomm

    Thank you.  When you look at the data sheet my coil appears to be the one on the right... there are 2 pins on the one right, one left... at the other end are 2 sets of 2 pins each (total or 4 pins) ... I say 'pins' but each pin has 2 solder points so a total of 6 pins each with 2 points projecting thru the board to be soldered.  I know this doesn't sound very 'technical' but I don't know the correct terminology .   I know that if I understand which pin is which... I can unsolder these (unless I can test them on the board), I can rig up a 12 volt power supply and I can read the resistance at the switch ends.  what I'm missing is an understanding of which pin is which.

    Thank you. Tom

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    0 kmikemoo over 1 year ago in reply to HBPhillie

    If you cannot do a voltage check on the relays in place, I'm going to encourage that you remove the relays from the PCB to bench test them.  I have released the magic smoke by trying to power stuff in place.  Some things don't like to be backfed.  The unlabeled pins on the graphic are your contacts.

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