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Design a Non-Contact RPM meter

Humaninsane
Humaninsane 1 month ago

I am currently reverse-engineering a non-contact RPM sensor module that uses a Bosch knock sensor (

Knock Sensors (0261231046) - Knock Sensors - Bosch Auto Parts)

and a Condenser MIC output as the input. The knock sensor and MIC signal is fed into 2 separate op-amp

LMC66x CMOS Dual Operational Amplifiers datasheet (Rev. D)

, and the op-amp output goes to a CODEC 

AD1845 , DigChip http://www.digchip.com

for processing.

My goal is to understand the op-amp circuitry and determine the appropriate configuration needed to condition the knock sensor and MIC signal before feeding it to the CODEC. I am a bit confused about where to start and what concepts I should study regarding op-amp. and there is a charge pump as well, 

LT1054 Switched-Capacitor Voltage Converters With Regulators datasheet (Rev. G)

Could anyone guide me on:

How to analyze the existing op-amp circuit?
What op-amp configurations are commonly used for piezoelectric sensors such as knock sensors?
What topics should I study to better understand this signal-conditioning stage?
How can I determine the expected signal levels and bandwidth requirements before the CODEC input?

The ultimate task is to redesign this board while maintaining identical functionality and output behavior as the existing device, so understanding the analog front-end is critical.

Any suggestions on the right approach, reference materials, or debugging techniques would be greatly appreciated.

AI is confusing with too much data. Not getting a clear path.image

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  • michaelkellett
    michaelkellett 1 month ago in reply to Humaninsane +4 suggested
    From your picture of the pcb it's an old design. So my next question is - why do you want to copy it ? Pretty much all the parts are old (starting with the now obsolete AD1845). I'm sure that whatever…
  • geralds
    geralds 1 month ago in reply to Humaninsane +2
    aaa rr r e y you uu ready too ooo ru mbl e????? let's dance!!! Linear circuit design handbook: https://www.analog.com/en/resources/technical-books/linear-circuit-design-handbook.html (you can…
  • geralds
    geralds 1 month ago +1 verified
    Sorry to tell you: you cannot rework this schematic as well we cannot. AD1845 Datasheet and Product Info | Analog Devices The CODEC is obsolete. 1. you need the values of all components 2. the ADC…
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    0 colporteur 1 month ago

    Are you willing to share your experience level?

    The OP amp knowledge pool can be fairly deep and trust me this site has some pretty good deep end divers. Providing some back ground on your experience level will help tailor responses.

    I did a term paper on OP amps some forty five years ago for my college course. The same program had a vacuum course. My OP amp knowledge is in the shallow end of the pool. 

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    0 Humaninsane 1 month ago in reply to colporteur

    My experience level is very low in case of Op-amps. overall i have 5years of experience in Hardware design. I know only textbook answers for Opamp related question. No much practical knowledge. previously worked on comparators and some basic amplifier circuits.

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    0 Humaninsane 1 month ago in reply to colporteur

    My experience level is very low in case of Op-amps. overall i have 5years of experience in Hardware design. I know only textbook answers for Opamp related question. No much practical knowledge. previously worked on comparators and some basic amplifier circuits.

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    0 acdc90 1 month ago in reply to Humaninsane

    I can remember fixing a timing light for diesel motors which had a clamp on strain gauge which clamped on to pipe from injector pump.

    I expect you want to use on comon rail engine, so clamp onto the comon rail and devide signal by the number of cylinders to feed a counter

    a microphone will not do the job 

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    0 michaelkellett 1 month ago in reply to acdc90

    The paper that the OP cites uses a microphone (listening to the exhaust) and  an accelerometer and some cross correlation maths to pull a signal out of the noise. 

    The idea is to make it simple to use and quick to install at the expense of a fair bit of engineering work.

    MK

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