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NeTV alternative for HDMI overlay

phil.harlow
phil.harlow over 9 years ago

I'm looking for the easiest/lowest cost solution to do a simple on-screen-display on an HDMI signal. Basically I just want to add a volume bar/simple text to an HDMI stream, possibly containing HDCP content, then send out to the TV. I don't need to decode or process the incoming video at all, I just want to slap a simple bar and some text onto whatever signal is being passed in. Much like a stereo receiver with HDMI passthrough that adds a volume display when you change the volume.

 

It looks like the Chumby NeTV would do what I want, but it seems unavailable, so I'm wondering if I'm missing a newer alternative. I've seen some references to the spartan-6 also being abel to do this, but I much prefer the $150 price point of the NeTV to the $400 spartan-6 image I was hoping that since I don't require the ability to decode the incoming hdmi video that there might be other alternatives that I wasn't able to find online.

 

In short, does anyone know where the NeTV is available? Are there any alternatives for what I want to do available for a similar price?

 

Thanks for any help!!

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    0 michaelkellett over 9 years ago

    A Spartan 6 FPGA doesn't cost $400 - the $150 NeTV board has one as well as  a load of other parts - but you need a lot more than a chip to do what you want.

     

    My best offer is a picture in picture capable video switch like this:

     

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/LINDY-Port-HDMI-Picture-Switch-Black/dp/B00SGL352U

     

    and an RPi or such like to make the inserted video.

     

    No idea how well it will work (not as well as the NeTV I guess) but is in budget.

     

    MK

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    0 phil.harlow over 9 years ago in reply to michaelkellett

    Thanks for the reply Michael!

     

    Do you have a link to a spartan-6 with HDMI in and out that is less than $400? I was only able to find one for $400.

     

    Unfortunately that won't do what I'm hoping for. Those switches with "pip" will show the solid image for the other inputs like this: https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61rPkgdkuHL._SL1000_.jpg

     

    They lack any sort of support for pip transparency, and they show a solid black frame for any input without a source connected.

     

    I'm hoping to achieve a volume bar similar to this: http://i.imgur.com/pf4iSXU.jpg

     

    Once I have a device that can merge two frames into one and output, I can handle the rest, I'm jsut looking for a device like the NeTV that will do the compositing of the images for me.

     

    Thanks!

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    0 michaelkellett over 9 years ago in reply to phil.harlow

    Hello Phil,

     

    I don't think you quite 'get' FPGAs:

     

    Spartan 6 is a whole family of FPGAs made by Xilinx. You might find a board with 2 HDMI inputs, one HDMI output and an FPGA in between but then you would need to write the 'code' for it do the signal processing - this is  a seriously non trivial task - depending on the features you wanted I would charge a customer from £20k to write the code.

     

    So you need to find  a board which has software already sorted - and you don't care what, if any, FPGA it uses. The NeTV thingy looked a pretty cheap way to get there but there may be reasons it isn't actually available.

     

    The only out of the box solutions are likely to be for professional real time video editing with big price tags.

     

    To answer your question as you asked it:

     

    I found this (by Googling 'fpga dual hdmi board' - it's kind of what you want, in budget but I think you would still need to write the code. (No idea if it's really available.)

     

    Numato Opsis is an Open Source Hardware FPGA Board with 6 Video Inputs and Outputs (Crowdfunding)

     

    I think they should have gone for  a bigger more modern FPGA so that you can use the latest Xilinx tools.

     

    Here's another one that I think you actually buy but it only has two HDMI ports.

     

    https://www.scarabhardware.com/shop/

     

    MK

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    0 phil.harlow over 9 years ago in reply to michaelkellett

    Hi Michael,

     

    I really appreciate the reply! I certainly do have a loose grasp on FPGA's, which is why I'm glad I asked about it here!

     

    Looking at those links you sent, the miniSpartan6+ found here: https://www.scarabhardware.com/product/minisp6/ looks like it would be ideal in size and cost, but does not appear to come with any pre-built software to add overlays to HDMI, which is fine as long as I can find a starting point elsewhere, possibly something like: MiniSpartan6+ DVID Logo - Hamsterworks Wiki!

     

    I'm a software dev by day, so I like to think that if I had a starting point of some code that added dynamic text or graphics on the source image, I can figure out the rest for my implementation, but that may be naive.

     

    But on first glance of that example code, it seems it is only able to add overlays on a 720p dvi signal.

     

    Would you happen to know if the miniSpartan6+ could handle a full 1080p HDMI signal and add dynamic graphics to it? Really I just want to overlay some simple text and progressbar to show volume. Also, if my HDMI source was HDCP encrypted, would that prevent me from adding an overlay to the image?

     

    Sorry for my ignorance on the topic. I've played a lot with arduino's, pi's and esp's, but never worked with an fpga before.

     

    Thanks again for any help!

     

    -Phil

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    0 michaelkellett over 9 years ago in reply to phil.harlow

    I haven't gone into it in detail but the Scarab board just connects the FPGA directly to the HDMI ports so it should be OK with 1080p.

     

    It will take a fair bit of fpga knowledge to hack the hamster project to work with a different video standard.

     

    If you want to get into FPGA this is an ambitious but not totally impossible start - expect a very steep learning curve - FPGA work isn't software, it's hardware described by software.

     

    MK

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    0 phil.harlow over 9 years ago in reply to michaelkellett

    Thanks for all the help Michael.

     

    I think I will snag a miniSpartan6+ and just keep an eye out for any good starting points, as I was expecting a very steep learning curve.

     

    Thanks!

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    0 phil.harlow over 9 years ago in reply to michaelkellett

    And of course right when I get the shipment notification for the miniSpartan, the NeTV comes back in stock... Oh well now I will have two fpgas!

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