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Reinventing the Internet of Things: A Thought Experiment

spannerspencer
spannerspencer over 9 years ago

As discussed in no small part here on element14, and across the big fat Internets, the IoT is simultaneously fantastic, the "next big thing", and also fraught with problems.

 

These include things like security and standardised protocols. Gaps in the IoT concept that are the result of slow, organic evolution rather than systemic design flaws. But flaws they are, nonetheless.

 

And that got me thinking. If we were to invent the Internet of Things today -- deliberately and with forethought -- how would it differ from the ad-hoc network that gradually formed into the IoT we now know?

 

So as something of a thought experiment, I'd be fascinated to hear how you guys would approach it. If you could start afresh with the entire sector and concept of IoT, how would you do it, and what would be yours proceed for putting it all in place?

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  • spannerspencer
    spannerspencer over 9 years ago in reply to mcb1 +3 suggested
    Certainly I don't mean to suggest it's as essential as water and power, no -- and you're right that it's something we should try not to let ourselves become too reliant on. But right or wrong, I think…
  • crjeder
    crjeder over 9 years ago +3
    Since security is important I'd start reinventing there. But first let us analyse where existing solutions failed. AES is secure and solutions in hard- and software exist. BLE for instance encrypts communication…
  • rsc
    rsc over 9 years ago +2 suggested
    Personally, I have no interest in having my coffee pot, fridge, or microwave connected to the internet. I do have security cameras and such. It'd be nice to know where things went if stolen, so tracking…
  • peterjcs23
    0 peterjcs23 over 9 years ago

    The definition needs to narrow. TI define the current state of play like this:

     

    The IoT creates an intelligent, invisible network fabric that can be sensed, controlled and programmed. IoT-enabled products employ embedded technology that allows them to communicate, directly or indirectly, with each other or the Internet.

     

    This should be narrowed down to "communicate only via the internet"; other wise we have a Bluetooth of things of some other standard.

     

    And having narrowed down the hardware and comms layers we could consider defining the the data format to some database like structure.

     

    Then if I make an IoT product I can be pretty sure it will communicate and exchange data to your IoT  product and your database.

     

     

     

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  • DAB
    0 DAB over 9 years ago

    I think most of the standardization issues revolve around whose hardware will be at the core.

     

    As long as the applications feed data to vendor site so that the information can be collected and examined, most of the standard just will not matter.

     

    I am still dubious that all of the collected information will be of much use to the average person.

     

    The marketer's and promotion companies are the main beneficiaries and I consider them too intrusive already.  I really do not want them targeting me or people like me.

     

    DAB

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    0 clem57 over 9 years ago

    When IoT becomes strictly home centric (no connection to net without a proxy), the issue is moot.

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  • shabaz
    0 shabaz over 9 years ago

    We've seen great strides in many technology aspects (radio, power, sensors, processing, cloud) but the one thing I would have loved to see would have been local governments doing more. Mandatory opening up of public bodies and local government APIs many years ago, I personally don't care about the format implementation too much (of course they should be robust, certificate-based where personal information is to be accessed, and mandatory hardening to protect access to those servers and allow everyone to use them). City-wide WiFi. Rather disgusting that for all the desire for getting children coding, many have no access to the Internet in their homes and libraries are disappearing. API training classes, talks from industry, free use of space for IoT enterprises. Local businesses and stores getting incentives (reduced rent?) if they add value for residents through APIs too.

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    0 rsc over 9 years ago

    Personally,

    I have no interest in having my coffee pot, fridge, or microwave connected to the internet.  I do have security cameras and such.  It'd be nice to know where things went if stolen, so tracking is useful.

    Having data from home "stuff" stored in the "cloud" seems silly.  Beacons for information about places and structures is nice to have.  This reminds me of the 1980's when all the new PC manufacturers were fighting to be the one to standardize to.

    Somehow, advertising will take over all of these things in the end.  My future coffee pot will take 1/2 hour to warm up while playing fat loss ads on the front LCD - "Press BREW to order now"

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  • crjeder
    0 crjeder over 9 years ago in reply to peterjcs23

    IMHO this definition is to narrow. Maybe better would be: IoT is a group of things which are able to send to and receive from other IP addresses.

    This would include "things" behind gateways which translate IP address to whatever the RF protocol uses.

    Even Wi-Fi things need such a gateway (AP + modem). Your definition would essentially include only backbone routers...

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    0 shabaz over 9 years ago in reply to crjeder

    There was an attempt to begin to look at the characteristics (well features for now) of IoT that accommodated popular definitions of IoT and the commercial solutions and the hobbyist projects that we were seeing about a year ago, here: The Features of IoT 

    It got summarized into a 'features of IoT' diagram, that was intended to be updated over time - it is due for an update, I have some ideas, but any suggestions from others are welcome.

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  • spannerspencer
    0 spannerspencer over 9 years ago in reply to shabaz

    That's a really good point. We're reaching a stage where internet access is as essential as power, water and gas, especially when looking at things from an educational aspect. But (certainly here in the UK) government and local government have made no progress at all on this front.

     

    I was in San Francisco once, and you could get an open Wi-Fi signal anywhere in the city.

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  • mcb1
    0 mcb1 over 9 years ago in reply to spannerspencer

    We're reaching a stage where internet access is as essential as power, water and gas

    Sorry but internet access is not life sustaining.

     

    It is a convienience that sadly has become addictive to many people.

    In some cases it is a distraction to their lives.

     

    While it has made accessing information so much easier, I'm not sure which way the pendulum is swinging   Good v Bad in terms of benefits to humanity.

    Internet and Education is an excuse. Sure pupils can look up information but they can also find it in books.

    They can chat with others using skype, but they could also talk via telephone or actually talk face to face.

     

    Long before mobile phones we used to make plans and stick with them. There were some holdups along the way, if you ran into trouble/holdup, but we survived/existed very well.

    Now there seems to be some anxiety if the person is 1 minute late and they haven't texted or phoned.

     

    The Christchurch earthquakes were a very good reminder that relying on the internet is NOT the best solution for passing vital information.

    Someone decided that having the vital information on the council website was the best way to distrubute it, but sadly they forgot about the eastern side that had no power, no water and certainly no internet.

    Smartphones that chew through batteries in day are no help when you have no means of charging them. (yes the intelligent ones had 12v chargers, but that's a small percentage)

     

    On top of that because everyone decided to ring everyone even text messages were several hours later than when they were sent. I have no idea if the telcos dropped internet ... they were struggling to keep the emergency service available so I doubt it was there.

     

    It also seems that ipv1 made a very good observation during one of the challenges. If everyone in India had a few devices connected, the whole internet would crawl to a halt with the volume of hundreds of millions of devices chattering about nothing.

     

     

     

    So sorry spannerspencer I don't agree that internet access is vital.

    If you can't live without it or have an occasional requirement, then have a data plan.

    Mark

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  • mlease
    0 mlease over 9 years ago

    If we had the opportunity to start over again with the Internet of Things, the first thing I would do is not call it the Internet of Things. The "Internet of Things" is less meaningful than VERY broad terms like "transportation" (a Prius to jumbo jets to oil tankers) or "consumer products" (60" plasma TVs to bike computers to iPods) or "networking" (gigabit Ethernet to 4G LTE to Bluetooth).

     

    Unfortunately, when you look at everything that falls under the IoT it does look like a big incoherent mess because there are so many things that are lumped under IoT (mainly by the manufacturers to jump on the IoT bandwagon). The reality is everything in the IoT doesn't need to talk with everything else in the IoT. Within the many segments of the IoT, real standards and de facto standards have been and will continue to emerge. The cost, performance, security and other needs of the applications and devices in each segment will drive those standards.

     

    From a practical perspective, security is obviously a big issue and to a large extent we're still suffering from the lack of security that was originally designed into the Internet. The sheer amount of data that millions of IoT devices can generate will become a bigger issue for Internet congestion, storing all that data and making sense of all that data. Devices that stream massive amounts of data over the Internet should be the exception and smart devices that can interpret and report on the data they capture will hopefully become the norm. Hopefully the market forces will cause that to happen because it isn't the type of thing that can be mandated through standards.

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