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Open Collector Output interface to 24V Digital Input, Inverted

tjslip
tjslip over 10 years ago

I have a stepper motor (multi-axis' in fact) that provides a limit signal (E11 NEGATIVE LIMIT) that is open collector output:

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I need to connect that signal to an opto-isolated 24V digital input (no internal pull-up resistor I assume):

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Currently there is a circuit board installed that does this, and that contains:

  • A regulator IC for 5V
  • A pullup resistor circuit to 5V.
  • An IC (ULN2003 Darlington Array) to up the voltage to 24V and
  • An IC (Philips  74HC14N74HC14N HEX INVERTING SCHMITT TRIGGER to invert the signal (to active high instead of active low I assume)

 

I want to eliminate this custom made circuit board and use "industrial-strength" off-the-shelf DIN rail mounted items to interface the motor limit output with the digital input.

 

I'm a mechanical engineer and am kindly requesting some advice how to do this professionally, without custom circuitry.

 

Thanks in advance.

Tom.

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  • Robert Peter Oakes
    0 Robert Peter Oakes over 10 years ago

    Easyest thing is to use the opto transistor output to the input of your 24V din rail device (You dont say what this is so I will assume it has a 24V logic input ) If your input device needs a pullup then something like a 10K resistor should suffice to 24V from the collector of the opto / input to your device. this will ensure the input is 24V or 0 depending on state of stepper

     

    Without knowing what your input device is, it is hard to say. some industrial devices have internal pullup, some dont and some have a lower input impedance so 10K might not work.

     

    Either way the interfaceing is trivial but more info would be required to provide more accurate feedback.

     

    If you need more then provide a schematic of it all and also the model type of input device your intending to connect this to

     

    Thanks

    Peter

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  • dougw
    0 dougw over 10 years ago

    You could connect a Phoenix Contact 2900353 to the E11 signal, but that signal needs a 390 ohm resistor between it and 5V.

    The polarity can be reversed simply by connecting the module slightly differently.

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  • tjslip
    0 tjslip over 10 years ago

    Thanks for the advice.

     

    So the INPUT may require a pull-up resistor. I included the schematic of the INPUT in the question and it doesn't shown and resistor in the circuit.

    The input is a WAGO 750-671 Stepper Driver Module, which requires the limit sensing input for homing sequences. I can't find any reference to input impedance or whether a resistor is needed.

    I assume it is needed as its omitted from the schematic.

     

    What would happen if I just connected the output signal to both +24V and the input?

     

    So a DIN rail mount resistor will be required. They don't appear to exist as a standard item in the catalogue.

    Maybe a device I can slot a resistor into is available...??

     

    Douglas thanks also, I'll have a closer look at that part, and I still need a resistor as you say.

     

    Cheers all.

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  • Robert Peter Oakes
    0 Robert Peter Oakes over 10 years ago in reply to tjslip

    2 diodes, 24V and no resistor will release the magic smoke for sure. the resistor is to limit the current through the opto LED as much as it is also a pull up

     

    if the input to your monitor (PLC) is also an opto isolator input then you dont need to drive it with 24V

     

    If it is already 24V capabable then it probably has a resistor or other current limit in it already so the open collector from the stepper should be able to be directly connected

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  • tjslip
    0 tjslip over 10 years ago in reply to Robert Peter Oakes

    Good to know that if the opto input is +24V ready, its ready to take the 24V without any resistors.

    All I need to do then is put a relay in between the input and output to invert the signal, i.e. normally closed.

     

    Thanks

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  • Robert Peter Oakes
    0 Robert Peter Oakes over 10 years ago in reply to tjslip

    why invert the signal with a relay, do it in software, much easier

    Peter

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  • tjslip
    0 tjslip over 10 years ago in reply to Robert Peter Oakes

    I agree, but the lead time and effort to make a change to the software is enormous for the highly regulated environment it operates within.

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  • clem57
    0 clem57 over 10 years ago in reply to tjslip

    Too much change control???

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    0 tjslip over 9 years ago in reply to clem57

    Depends who you ask. To a Quality Engineer, no, never too much change control! image

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