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interested1
interested1 over 12 years ago

Hello Everyone,

  I am in the market for my first oscilloscope.  I have used oscilloscopes before but not really taken to writing down the specs of the device or constructing exactly what I want in a scope.  To date I have gotten by without the device, but I now am in a good financial spot and the purchase of a sub-$500 'scope is reasonable provided I obtain some guide.  My requirements are rather vague, but can be generalized as a desire to purchase a scope that provides enough data sampling for robotics projects --I currently work with the Raspberry Pi and the Beagle Bone Black.  I am confident that the previous curtailment didn't reduce the field all that much, so I reiterate, I am willing to spend ~$500 on a scope, so please no suggestions of thousand dollar scopes.  I want something, which in the breadth of product offerings is probably quite basic, but nonetheless I would like to be able to have a scope to test my robotics and embedded Linux boards with...

 

A friend of mine suggested that I purchase something akin to the Instek GDS-1052-U Digital Storage Oscilloscope, 2 Channel, Color LCD, 50MHz, 250MS/s with USB or a less expensive USB Oscilloscope - MSO-19 Considering his knowledge of what I might be using the scope for, likely an intimacy more than I am expressing in my description for usage, I remain inquisitive for advice.  I mention these products and provide links only to better aid my previously vague explanation for my prospective usage.

 

As a final curtailment, I would really love to get a scope that I could use with Linux rather than Winblow$ as I really only use Linux or OSX boxes these days.  I am confident there are products that are not Winblow$ only, but the two scopes my buddy suggests both seem to urge my adoption of a OS that I want not part in!

 

Thank you for your responses and if I can better explain what I hope to accomplish with a scope please explain to me what I can provide to better resolve the specification I (unwittingly) desire in a scope.  I apologizes again for being less than committal or precise, but you have to begin from somewhere and my point of departure is that I would like a scope... thanks for working with me on a request that is perhaps an incomplete formulation.

 

David

 

P.S. I did try to search for a discussion on this topic; however, I couldn't find anything within the last year or two.  I figure this is a question that everyone has at some point and so why not posit the issue and revisit.

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  • Former Member
    Former Member over 12 years ago in reply to interested1 +4
    Hi David, the 100MHz is even more simple these days and should work on all scopes: http://www.eevblog.com/forum/blog/changing-the-rigol-ds1052e-to-ds1102e-using-usb-the-dummy-guide/msg187918/#msg187918…
  • nermash
    nermash over 12 years ago +3
    If your budget is set at 500$ max, then it's no brainier. After many posts on EEVblog forum, there seem to be consensus that these budget dsos are best: Rigol DS1052E, Owon SDS7102, Siglent SDS1102 CML…
  • vsluiter
    vsluiter over 12 years ago +3
    Hey David (Scheltema -> Dutch roots?) I've been using the Rigol scope for a few years now, and -for its budget- it's really great. A few fellow engineers bought USB scopes years ago, all of which ended…
  • ravi_butani
    ravi_butani over 10 years ago

    As you are working with raspberry_pi and beagle bone , I assumes that you need scope for embedded system prototyping....

     

    Here is my suggestion...

    OscilloScope Tektronix  TBS1052BTBS1052B is low price tek's 2 channel 50MHz scope Its very reliable and low cost too It will be help you out for measure up to 50MHz analog signal and voltage range is about 300V with 10X probe supplied with probe Any way you can blindly trust any Tektronix scope

     

    for digital side of embedded system you need logic analyzer with serial protocol (UART, SPI, I2C) decoder... here I suggest "Analog Discovery" board with inbuilt Signal generator, oscilloscope up to 5MHz and 100MSPS logic analyzer and many more...interesting features...

     

    this both product together cost you <600$..

    If you are tight in budget first go for Analog Discovery , as it will satisfy all needs of embedded system test and measurement requirements..

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  • Former Member
    Former Member over 10 years ago

    Forget the war of USB or Not USB, many of the highgrade solutions use USB!

    Take a look at QA100 https://www.quantasylum.com/content/Products/QA100.aspx

     

    I have used this scope for more than a year and it is a dream to work with it.

     

    In embedded MSO you dont need 600V probes, often is the reality -10V-+10V and the scope are made to share clock with the other instruments.

     

    " The QA100 is a PC-based oscilloscope for Windows XP, Vista, Windows 8 and later. This means the PC is used to collect, display and analyze your data. The connection to your PC happens over a USB High Speed link, and the high-speed transfer rate (up to 480Mbps) means screen update rates rivaling video games are possible. It also means you are looking at data on a high resolution desktop monitor in 32-bit color instead of a low-cost LCD panel that can display limited resolution. And best yet, your mouse and keyboard can drive the user interface and accomplish tasks in a fraction of the time it takes on a standalone scope. Sharing data has never been easier, with the ability to display comments directly on the screen fixed at a certain point in time. Add a note to the capture, copy the screen, drop it in an email and explain the problem to other engineers in less time than ever before."

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  • aat14
    aat14 over 10 years ago in reply to Former Member

    You will find an overview of all oscilloscope manufacturers including USB scopes on the website http://www.oscopes.info/

    Please look for the "Market" tab.

    This oscilloscope information platform provides also many links to websites explaining how an oscilloscope works, how to use it and how to do simple measurements.

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  • Problemchild
    Problemchild over 10 years ago in reply to aat14

    Thanks for that it looks interesting ..however I did worry when a Lecroy was on the front page image

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  • Former Member
    Former Member over 10 years ago

    I have bought an Analog Arts model SA925 a USB type oscilloscope (www.analogarts.com). I bought the device mostly for its spectrum analyzer capability. For about $300 it was the price that initially attracted my attention. Although it has about 200 MHz bandwidth, I hardly need that level of performance. Overall, I am happy with its performance. Nevertheless, I strongly recommend to you to meticulously read the specification of any device you planning to buy. So you do not fall victim to marketing gimmicks.

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  • vsluiter
    vsluiter over 10 years ago in reply to Former Member

    Hi Bernard,

    About the specifications: this scope has a max sampling rate (single shot) of 125MHz, it advertises as 200MHz "real" sample rate, an "effective sample rate" of 100GHz (which means you're taking more samples of a signal, with a variable trigger delay. The signal should be repetitive) and an analog bandwith of 200MHz.

    To me those numbers do not compute. For a single shot trigger the analog bandwith can be no higher than ~50Mhz, taking Nyquist into account without safety margins.


    I think that these guys also let the marketing misuse the specs....


    BTW: someone mentioned the Rigol DS1054Z, I bought it and received it two weeks ago. Haven't used it much yet, but it's certainly worth its money!

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  • Former Member
    Former Member over 10 years ago in reply to vsluiter

    Hi Vsluiter,

                Well, If you are talking about the criteria imposed by the Nyquist theorem, who could argue with that. However, for a repetitive signal that criteria can be manipulated. Analog Arts oscilloscope correctly displays 150 MHz sine-wave in my set up. If you wish I can email you a plot of the signal. Now, that you mention it though, I do find it quite impressive. I am not quite sure how they do it. I am familiar with different methods of signal reconstructions, but none of them could work for really high frequencies since you need to generate extremely small delays, which are impossible. The application engineer, whom I talked to, was not open about how they do it, stating they have a patent pending on their technique. He did mention they somehow calculate the frequency of the signal (to .1ppm) before it is reconstructed. Anyway, for the money I paid, i am quite happy with the unit. For a lower price, I am getting higher bandwidth and spectrum analyzer feature.

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  • shabaz
    shabaz over 10 years ago in reply to Former Member

    The way it works is well documented (known as equivalent time sampling). It is useful in the circumstance that the signal is repetitive as you say, which is a limitation.

    The spectrum analyzer feature is offered on many oscilloscopes nowadays.

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  • vsluiter
    vsluiter over 10 years ago in reply to shabaz

    Thanks for that link! There's also an explanation here: http://www.signalrecovery.com/Support-Center/FAQ/FAQ-Hardware/Effective-Sampling-Rate.aspx

    Still, the numbers do not compute well to me; a single shot update with a different sample rate than the "real sample rate"? And what about undersampling / aliasing? The analog bandwiith will allow signals to pass that cannot be correctly visualized on screen, and you won't be able to see whether you're undersampling or not.

     

    To be honest: I haven't checked my own scope's data so thoroughly, but I found these numbers to be raising some questions.

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  • shabaz
    shabaz over 10 years ago in reply to vsluiter

    Hi Victor!

     

    I read an article a while back (sadly I can't remember where now) but basically although equivalent time sampling is highly useful, doing it well is a hard thing (requires very low jitter from the delayed periodic signal (generated from the input signal) which will cause the ADC to sample. And, as you suggest, there is the risk of misinterpreting the output when the signal actually isn't periodic, or only has some periodic elements - the resultant waveform display quality could look wrong for any of these cases (jitter, non-periodic or periodic with non-periodic components) and probably others too if I could remember it in detail.

    Fpga4fun (terrible site, I can't recommend their products because they have expensive "development" boards that they do not supply the entire schematics nor entire source code for) have a design using a 100MSPS ADC which uses equivalent time sampling to achieve higher than 50MHz waveform capture. They have a block diagram showing the periodic output from their ADC boards (no schematic of course..).

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