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Why Are Digital Scopes Noisy (Or what appears to be Noisy)

Robert Peter Oakes
Robert Peter Oakes over 11 years ago

Dave Jones of EEVBlog and others have gone to great length to show how the noise shown on newer digital scopes is actually because there better at detecting it due to being able to refresh the screens at better rates and of course because of the digital sampling etc, and for that part I totally get it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znwp0pK8Tzk

 

Well I do if it where not for the fact that at no time has it been explained where the actual noise is coming from in the first place, If i have a probe or other length of wire on the input, then OK it is an antenna and so you expect it and a nice new high bandwidth scope will show it all

 

but if the input is terminated, shorted out or otherwise not connected surely it should not be there, or certainly not at the levels shown in the videos

 

If I was paying over 10K for a scope, im sure that it showing 100mV of noise or more when the input is terminated, shorted or otherwise connected to a good signal source, I would be a little upset.

 

If I am trying to measure single digit noise on a scope and the scope is generating its own far in excess of this then what gives ?

 

So there you have it, I know we have a Tektronics Expert in our ranks right now, I would be very interested on his/her take on this and of course from anyone else. I for one would love to understand why for my own sake and also to help others understand

 

Let the debate begin and perhaps we can get a great briefing note out of it

 

Peter

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  • michaelkellett
    michaelkellett over 10 years ago in reply to Robert Peter Oakes +2
    The thermal noise from a 1k resistor over a 1GHz bandwidth is 127uV, from 1 1M resistor it's about 4mV which are about 0.762mV and 24mV pk-pk respectively. If you are using a x10 probe it is the 1M case…
  • michaelkellett
    michaelkellett over 11 years ago in reply to Robert Peter Oakes +1
    Scope manufacturers are very coy about noise specs. Looking at the 12 bit LeCroy data sheet there is no simple "divisions pk-pk on range x" spec. Instead it says that it has 55dB SNR - thats a ratio of…
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    alexev over 11 years ago

    I guess is the same inherent noise that you find in the high-tech digital multimeter aswell. As you already know, once you use the DC/AC or ohm measure scale, the multimeter oscilates values of tenths of mV or mΩ at high precision setup.

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    alexev over 11 years ago

    I guess is the same inherent noise that you find in the high-tech digital multimeter aswell. As you already know, once you use the DC/AC or ohm measure scale, the multimeter oscilates values of tenths of mV or mΩ at high precision setup.

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