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Operation of simple Li-ion Battery Charge System

jw0752
jw0752 over 7 years ago

I am testing out a cordless screw driver. When I first plugged it into the charger a red LED light was suppose to light but it didn't. After a couple hours I opened the unit up and checked for circuit problems,

 

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The SOT89 in the center right of the circuit board is a B772 NPN transistor and it controls the charge current. Below it, the small transistor is a 2N7002 ( an N Ch MOSFET) and it is the driver that controls the B772. The U1 which I haven't IDed is probably the charge controller. When I first opened the unit I had 5 volts on the emitter of the B772 and no volts on the Collector. The Li-ion battery was sitting at 0.6 volts. In the course of my testing I eventually put a small token charge into the battery and at this point the unit started charging as normal.

 

My question is this: Did the extremely low charge level of the battery cause the charge circuit to default to a no charge situation or is there likely a secondary fault in the circuit that has just decided to temporarily heal itself? Any insights would be appreciated. I have minimal experience with this type of charging circuit.

 

John

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  • genebren
    genebren over 7 years ago +9 verified
    John, I am working on a Li-ion battery charger right now (and I have developed others in the past). Most of the Li-ion chargers have a 'battery check' (injecting a small current into the battery and looking…
  • mcb1
    mcb1 over 7 years ago +8 suggested
    You should know by now that anything that is broken, always works when you take it to get fixed ... It wouldn't surprise me if the low voltage caused the charging to shut down. Lithium Ion cells shouldn…
  • jw0752
    jw0752 over 7 years ago in reply to genebren +7
    Hi Gene, that is exactly the info I was looking for. There was some crystallized spillage on the circuit board which would have provided a discharge path for the battery while it was still liquid. It looked…
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  • shabaz
    0 shabaz over 7 years ago

    Hi John,

     

    I believe I've hit this issue a couple of times with new products too : (

    One was a wireless keyboard, which was a model presumably in a warehouse for too long, and it refused to charge, and the replacement had the same issue. Another was a label printer, which was new but sold as faulty (at a lower price) because it wouldn't charge either. In that latter case, it had a removable battery pack inside (NiMH I think from memory).. so I removed it, carefully gave it a bit of charge, and it's been fine ever since.

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    0 shabaz over 7 years ago

    Hi John,

     

    I believe I've hit this issue a couple of times with new products too : (

    One was a wireless keyboard, which was a model presumably in a warehouse for too long, and it refused to charge, and the replacement had the same issue. Another was a label printer, which was new but sold as faulty (at a lower price) because it wouldn't charge either. In that latter case, it had a removable battery pack inside (NiMH I think from memory).. so I removed it, carefully gave it a bit of charge, and it's been fine ever since.

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    0 jw0752 over 7 years ago in reply to shabaz

    Hi Shabaz,

    I actually jump started this one by bridging the charge regulator with a 10 ohm resistor for 10 seconds. That was apparently enough for the controller to sense the battery and take over. According to common wisdom the battery is probably damaged but I will use it a while to see how it goes.

    John

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    0 shabaz over 7 years ago in reply to jw0752

    Hi John,

     

    I agree, some of these batteries are pricey, worth attempting this process : )

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