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Operation of simple Li-ion Battery Charge System

jw0752
jw0752 over 7 years ago

I am testing out a cordless screw driver. When I first plugged it into the charger a red LED light was suppose to light but it didn't. After a couple hours I opened the unit up and checked for circuit problems,

 

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The SOT89 in the center right of the circuit board is a B772 NPN transistor and it controls the charge current. Below it, the small transistor is a 2N7002 ( an N Ch MOSFET) and it is the driver that controls the B772. The U1 which I haven't IDed is probably the charge controller. When I first opened the unit I had 5 volts on the emitter of the B772 and no volts on the Collector. The Li-ion battery was sitting at 0.6 volts. In the course of my testing I eventually put a small token charge into the battery and at this point the unit started charging as normal.

 

My question is this: Did the extremely low charge level of the battery cause the charge circuit to default to a no charge situation or is there likely a secondary fault in the circuit that has just decided to temporarily heal itself? Any insights would be appreciated. I have minimal experience with this type of charging circuit.

 

John

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  • genebren
    genebren over 7 years ago +9 verified
    John, I am working on a Li-ion battery charger right now (and I have developed others in the past). Most of the Li-ion chargers have a 'battery check' (injecting a small current into the battery and looking…
  • mcb1
    mcb1 over 7 years ago +8 suggested
    You should know by now that anything that is broken, always works when you take it to get fixed ... It wouldn't surprise me if the low voltage caused the charging to shut down. Lithium Ion cells shouldn…
  • jw0752
    jw0752 over 7 years ago in reply to genebren +7
    Hi Gene, that is exactly the info I was looking for. There was some crystallized spillage on the circuit board which would have provided a discharge path for the battery while it was still liquid. It looked…
  • fmilburn
    0 fmilburn over 7 years ago

    Hi John,

    For some reason the photo does not show for me...

    Frank

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    0 mcb1 over 7 years ago

    You should know by now that anything that is broken, always works when you take it to get fixed ... image

    It wouldn't surprise me if the low voltage caused the charging to shut down.

     

    Lithium Ion cells shouldn't go that low, so don't be surprised if the battery performance is reduced either in capability or life.

     

     

    The best source of information is here.  http://batteryuniversity.com/

     

    Charging information http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/charging_lithium_ion_batteries

     

     

    Mark

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    0 mcb1 over 7 years ago in reply to fmilburn

    same here ... no photo at all.

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    0 genebren over 7 years ago

    John,

     

    I am working on a Li-ion battery charger right now (and I have developed others in the past).  Most of the Li-ion chargers have a 'battery check' (injecting a small current into the battery and looking for the voltage at the battery terminal to stay below the charge termination voltage, i.e 4.2V) process that must pass before the device goes into the charging mode.  The next step is usually a preconditioning phase, where again a low current (% of normal charge current) is applied to the battery until the battery voltage rises to the proper level at which point the battery enters a constant current charge.

     

    The charger chip that I am using is a Microchip MCP73831/2.  This chip turns on the 'charging' LED as soon as the device enters either the preconditioning or charging stage.  Not all devices have the same logic, but if my charger failed the 'battery check' the device would sit with the LED off.

     

    Having used other charging chips, I have seen a fair number of chargers fail to charge batteries.  One of the reoccurring failure that I have seen has been due to a high impedance path (connectors, switches, wires, etc.) on the charger input voltage.  As the charger enters 'charging', the current rises quickly and the 'high input impedance' causes a large voltage drop, causing the charger to shutdown due to insufficient voltage.  What happens is the charger chip begins to oscillate and the charger never delivers charge to the battery (sometimes actually further draining the battery).

     

    As pointed out by mcb1, operating/allowing Li-ion batteries to drop to this low of a voltage is very bad for the life/performance of the cell.  Keep an eye on this drill and/or replace the battery or return it as damaged to the vendor.

     

    Good luck,

    Gene

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    0 jw0752 over 7 years ago in reply to genebren

    Hi Gene, that is exactly the info I was looking for. There was some crystallized spillage on the circuit board which would have provided a discharge path for the battery while it was still liquid. It looked like capacitor electrolyte but there was no capacitor in the circuit to have leaked. In any case the very low voltage condition of the battery was a concern I just didn't know if it would cause the charge to  fail to start. I will attempt to read the number of the control chip when I get a chance. Thanks Again.

    John

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    0 jw0752 over 7 years ago

    I reuploaded the picture in case it still wasn't coming through.

    John

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    0 genebren over 7 years ago in reply to jw0752

    John,

    The reloaded picture shows up now.  Strange, but the gunk on the board looks like it might have come off the positive terminal of the battery (assuming that the battery, while in the case, sits at about the same position as in your picture).

    Gene

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    0 jw0752 over 7 years ago in reply to genebren

    The board you are looking at was after I cleaned it up. Here is what it looked like before:

     

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    The battery was my first thought too but there was no sign of leakage on the battery itself.

    John

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  • shabaz
    0 shabaz over 7 years ago

    Hi John,

     

    I believe I've hit this issue a couple of times with new products too : (

    One was a wireless keyboard, which was a model presumably in a warehouse for too long, and it refused to charge, and the replacement had the same issue. Another was a label printer, which was new but sold as faulty (at a lower price) because it wouldn't charge either. In that latter case, it had a removable battery pack inside (NiMH I think from memory).. so I removed it, carefully gave it a bit of charge, and it's been fine ever since.

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    0 jw0752 over 7 years ago in reply to shabaz

    Hi Shabaz,

    I actually jump started this one by bridging the charge regulator with a 10 ohm resistor for 10 seconds. That was apparently enough for the controller to sense the battery and take over. According to common wisdom the battery is probably damaged but I will use it a while to see how it goes.

    John

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