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Have a question about the Next-Gen BeagleBone? Ask it here!

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bluescreen over 12 years ago

There is a lot of excitement about TI's Next-Gen BeagleBone. If you have a specific question about its performance characteristics, tech specs, or anything else, post it as a reply to this thread. We are working closely with TI and will make sure to respond to your questions.  Thanks everyone!  Sagar

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  • shabaz
    shabaz over 12 years ago in reply to Former Member +2
    Until we have some space to work in, I might as well add to this thread: I've not had much time to experiment with the board recently, but I had an hour today, and I tried powering the board from a battery…
  • shobhitkukreti
    shobhitkukreti over 12 years ago +1
    I just ordered a Beagle Bone. What will be the difference in the present beagle bone and the next gen beagle bone ?
  • jkridner
    jkridner over 12 years ago in reply to johnbeetem +1
    The demo I've been showing here at ELC is using an Attic Lapdock. The only special hack required is a USB cable that doesn't short power sine the Lapdock sources power through a port that normally should…
  • Former Member
    Former Member over 12 years ago in reply to jamodio

    Placed my order on the 22nd, it arrived yesterday the 27th.

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    Former Member over 12 years ago in reply to Former Member

    I'd like to hear what your first impressions are..

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  • Former Member
    Former Member over 12 years ago

    Could you please recommend a UK mains PSU for this?

     

    Steve

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  • Former Member
    Former Member over 12 years ago

    Noticed that Rev A5A added the (unpopulated) battery connection pins. Are these on the same grid as P6 on the original BeagleBone, so that capes using P6 might be made forward-compatible with just the addition of jumpers?

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  • Former Member
    Former Member over 12 years ago in reply to Former Member

    dhid wrote:

     

    I got the email too and I've just ordered from Farnell UK and the order confirmation says delivery w/c 29/04/13.

    Just got an email saying mine has shipped image   With luck it'll arrive in the post tomorrow..

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    Former Member over 12 years ago in reply to Former Member

    Yes I've just had my email too so hopefully..........image

    Mind you the online status still says "processing" so I hope it's not a mistake!

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  • Former Member
    Former Member over 12 years ago in reply to Former Member

    s ork wrote:

     

    coder27 wrote:

    and what is the DDR3 clock speed?

    I've seen 300MHz, 400MHz, 600MHz, and 800MHz.

    I'd suggest grabbing a copy of the SRM from

    http://circuitco.com/support/index.php?title=BeagleBoneBlack#LATEST_PRODUCTION_FILES_.28A5A.29

    it lists the DDR3L as running at 606Mhz (303Mhz base clock).

    And the version of the SRM I've just downloaded says 400Mhz/800Mhz.  I've received mine, but it's not immediately obvious how to verify what speed it's actually running the DDR3 at.

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  • shabaz
    shabaz over 12 years ago in reply to Former Member

    Hi Selsinork,

     

    I got mine today too, but I only connected it up via the serial port (I'm going to get a microSD card and upgrade the image before I do much more with it).

    This is what cat /proc/cpu revealed:

    root@beaglebone:/etc# cat /proc/cpuinfo
    processor   : 0
    model name  : ARMv7 Processor rev 2 (v7l)
    BogoMIPS    : 297.40
    Features    : swp half thumb fastmult vfp edsp thumbee neon vfpv3 tls

    CPU implementer : 0x41

    CPU architecture: 7

    CPU variant : 0x3
    CPU part    : 0xc08
    CPU revision: 2

     

    Hardware    : Generic AM33XX (Flattened Device Tree)
    Revision    : 0000
    Serial      : 0000000000000000

     

    There was also a cpufreq-info and a cpufreq-set command. The former revealed it was running a profile to set the speed between 300MHz and 1GHz, and that it was called 'ondemand'. There was another profile called 'performance', and when I set that, then the cat /proc/cpu went up to 990.68 BogoMIPS.

    The syntax was cpufreq-set -g performance (I set it back to ondemand afterwards, just-in-case).

    I didn't know what DDR3L was but according to here, it is Low-voltage DDR3, and that it achieves twice the throughput of DDR2 because of 8-bit prefetch tech  compared to DDR2's 4-bit. The prefetch was described on RAMBUS's page (I remember vaguely maybe they had the patent on it or something?).

    Anyway, it seems DDR, DDR2, and DDR3, if all run at, say, 200MHz, then DDR obtains 400MT/s, DDR2 is double at 800MT/s (because it has 4 bit prefetch compared to DDR 2-bit prefetch) and DDR3 achieves 1600MT/s (double DDR2 because of 8-bit prefetch), if the RAMBUS diagram is correct with the 8-bit prefetch explanation. So, at 1600MT/s, this would be 3200Mbyte/sec (3.2Gbyte/sec) for a 16-bit wide bus.

     

    This doesn't entirely agree with the SRM nor with Wikipedia's DDR entry, but they could be wrong (or the deductions above could be wrong). The 800MHz referred to in the SRM could be the interface speed (in the RAMBUS diag, they show a clock with one cycle and they call it the core speed, and next to it is 4 clock cycles, and they call that the interface speed). The Micron part datasheet says the memory is capable of 1600MT/s too.

     

    By the way, if you are planning to connect up the serial interface, since they don't show the arrows, it was hard to know the point of view, but basically this is the arrow direction showing who sends and who receives:

    Beagleboard J1 pin 4 <---------------PC

    Beagleboard J1 pin 5---------------->PC

    So for me, with a TTL-232RG-VIP-WE cable, the orange wire went to pin 4, yellow to pin 5. The VIP cable requires power, so I used the Port 9, (black to pin1, red to pin 3).

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    Former Member over 12 years ago in reply to shabaz

    shabaz wrote:

     

    I got mine today too, but I only connected it up via the serial port (I'm going to get a microSD card and upgrade the image before I do much more with it).

    Yeah, I was somewhat puzzled that the only way to upgrade the eMMC is to write an image to SD, boot from that and that the upgrade will take 45 minutes. Why not upgrade over USB, network etc.

     

    Also you boot from eMMC regardless and need to hold down S2 to boot from SD I thought that was a bit strange, theres an bit on the wiki that suggests it will boot from SD if you wipe the eMMC clean which seems to leave you in a position where you can't boot from SD but use eMMC for a persistent /home while you try out different distros.

    That and you can't use the pins on the headers that are shared with the eMMC without software disabling the eMMC and then software enabling whatever device you have sharing those connections. 

     

    All leaves me wondering if the eMMC is really worth it, don't get me wrong, I understand the attraction of a device where essentially everything you need to get it operational is on the board (no confused windows users unable to write an image to an SD card etc).

    However that didn't work for me anyway.. I followed the suggested route, plugged it in to the PC via usb and waited for the mass storage device to appear... and waited... and waited...

    Confirmed the board had booted by plugging in an ethernet cable and logging into it that way, but no device appeared on USB

     

    By the way, if you are planning to connect up the serial interface,

    I'm thinking that a serial connection is absolutely going to be required for anything beyond the most basic use. Especially if the tethering method fails, you'll need some way to see what's going on.

     

    The VIP cable requires power, so I used the Port 9, (black to pin1, red to pin 3).

    Yeah, my serial adapter needs power too, not quite sure what the thinking is in not providing 3.3v on J1

     

    Would be interested in your opinion of Angstrom, I'm not impressed so far..

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  • shabaz
    shabaz over 12 years ago in reply to Former Member

    I've not used Angstrom before, it looks like it is supposed to cater for embedded apps (rather than desktop) and I saw busybox was installed too. Unfortunately I didn't get much time to experiment. Maybe with an external MicroSD then there is more room for a bigger Linux distribution. According to docs, apparently update-over-USB and update-over-serial are supported by the processor, but may require some software from TI. I'm going to use a bit of kynar wire to patch a 3.3v supply to one of the blank pins on the serial header (e.g. pin 2) from the underside, so I can just plug the cable in to one port.

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