Disabling Right-Click Menus in v5.8.0

Gary Gofstein wrote on Mon, 03 May 2010 16:17

I took it to mean disgusted disagreement.

Yes, that was what I thought the first time I saw it too.  Eventually the

intended meaning came thru from context.

Quote:

I agree that it is confusing, particularly when it occurs without

explanation.

Exactly.  Once again the lesson is don't use abbreviations unless you are

very very sure they are understood as such by all of your audience.  If you

don't, you'll be misunderstood and possibly look silly.

The above is self-evident, but I am continually amazed by how many people

still try to save a few 100ms by typing a shortform instead of spelling out

what they mean.  "Agreed" is only 3 characters longer than "Ack", but has

the advantage of actually meaning what you are trying to convey.

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On 5/2/2010 9:10 AM, Olin Lathrop wrote:

Joern Paschedag wrote on Fri, 30 April 2010 04:50

Full Ack

 

I've seen this a lot here on the Eagle forums. Maybe it is some german

thing, although I speak german reasonably well and that doesn't seem the

case to me.

 

Apparently you mean to express agreement. However, you are really only

saying that you acknowledge the message (ACK is short for acknowledge, and

a common abbreviation for communication protocol descriptions). Everyone

else here really doesn't need to know whether you received a message or

not. If you want to express agreement with a message, say so.

I am not a German speaker and this is the only USENET group I frequent.

I originally misunderstood ACK. "Ack" is the sound one makes in English

to express impatient disagreement or more likely, disgust. In response

to a controversial topic, I took it to mean disgusted disagreement.

Never guessed it was jargon or abbreviation. This persisted for several

months. I eventually figured it out, when more context was supplied. I

agree that it is confusing, particularly when it occurs without explanation.

Joern Paschedag wrote on Sun, 02 May 2010 18:26

Is today your barking day again? No one is disturbed but you and

besides

no one is going to tell me what to use for an answer. This is going OT.

 

So the discussion ends right here.

Whoa, calm down, no need get all huffy.  If you had actually bothered to

read what I wrote, you'd have seen that I was asking question about some

usage I was not familiar with.

I find how words and usage evolves interesting, although sometimes it's not

really evolution but just misuse.  I have rarely seen this usage of ACK

before, but noticed it a lot here.  Then I noticed it came only from

germans, so it seemed possible that ACK somehow evolved a different meaning

in recent german.  I see Tillman says it does mean acknowledge of the

message, so my guess wasn't that far off.  Note that even acknowledgement

of the message is quite different from agreement with it though, so I think

there is yet more to this usage of ACK than Tillman describes.  I also

disagree with him that it's universally common usenet jargon.  It may be

common jargon amongst german speakers.

You can of course say what you wish, although certain choices will be more

widely understood than others.  Some may even have very different meaning

than intended to part of the audience.  My suggestion is to use the

conventions of the language you are writing in.

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Olin Lathrop schrieb:

Tilmann Reh wrote on Thu, 29 April 2010 02:39

Other people have requested exactly those features long enough to

finally get them... Otherwise, Cadsoft would be blamed to not listen

to the customer requests. You can't serve /all/ people best.

 

I can understand why CadSoft has to add new features.  The point though is

that all new features which change existing behavior should be made

optional with the default being the old way.

...

I tend to this viewpoint, too.

OTOH, CadSoft probably makes (more) money with new customers than with

the existing ones upgrading to the current versions. So it's reasonable

to address these - eventually by making the UI more "standard windows

like" (as with the implementation of the context menu, for example).

As long as such changes are a) documented, and b) reversible by

configuration, it doesn't really matter to me.

Both has been the case up to now.

Tilmann

Olin Lathrop schrieb:

Joern Paschedag wrote on Fri, 30 April 2010 04:50

Full Ack

 

I've seen this a lot here on the Eagle forums.  Maybe it is some german

thing, although I speak german reasonably well and that doesn't seem the

case to me.

This simply is usenet jargon. Just like IIRC, BTW, AFAIR and many other

abbreviationes.

Indeed it does mean "acknowledging" the message - but not its receipt,

but its content.

Tilmann

Am 02.05.2010 19:34, schrieb Olin Lathrop:

Joern Paschedag wrote on Sun, 02 May 2010 13:20

"Ack" is very common in germany

 

So now I'm really curios. What does it stand for then, and apparently it

does not mean the english work "acknowledge"? Is that one of those words

that came from english that then took on a life of its own? I'm not too

good with technical german, but I understand computer-related words are a

mish mash of real german, corrupted english, and outright english. For

example (please correct me if I'm wrong) I belive "disk drive" is

"speicher", whereas "computer" is "komputer" pronounced in a germanized

way, and "bits" is just "bits". So where does "ack" fit in to all this and

how did it evolve to apparently mean "agreement"?

 

and was addressed to a german.

 

But it was sent to everyone on the forum and it was written in english, so

therefore must be judged as such.

 

Is today your barking day again? No one is disturbed but you and besides

no one is going to tell me what to use for an answer. This is going OT.

So the discussion ends right here.

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Gruß / regards

Joern

Joern Paschedag wrote on Sun, 02 May 2010 13:20

"Ack" is very common in germany

So now I'm really curios.  What does it stand for then, and apparently it

does not mean the english work "acknowledge"?  Is that one of those words

that came from english that then took on a life of its own?  I'm not too

good with technical german, but I understand computer-related words are a

mish mash of real german, corrupted english, and outright english.  For

example (please correct me if I'm wrong) I belive "disk drive" is

"speicher", whereas "computer" is "komputer" pronounced in a germanized

way, and "bits" is just "bits".  So where does "ack" fit in to all this and

how did it evolve to apparently mean "agreement"?

and was addressed to a german.

But it was sent to everyone on the forum and it was written in english, so

therefore must be judged as such.

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Am 02.05.2010 18:10, schrieb Olin Lathrop:

Joern Paschedag wrote on Fri, 30 April 2010 04:50

Full Ack

 

I've seen this a lot here on the Eagle forums. Maybe it is some german

thing, although I speak german reasonably well and that doesn't seem the

case to me.

 

Apparently you mean to express agreement. However, you are really only

saying that you acknowledge the message (ACK is short for acknowledge, and

a common abbreviation for communication protocol descriptions). Everyone

else here really doesn't need to know whether you received a message or

not. If you want to express agreement with a message, say so.

"Ack" is very common in germany and was addressed to a german.

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Gruß / regards

Joern

Joern Paschedag wrote on Fri, 30 April 2010 04:50

Full Ack

I've seen this a lot here on the Eagle forums.  Maybe it is some german

thing, although I speak german reasonably well and that doesn't seem the

case to me.

Apparently you mean to express agreement.  However, you are really only

saying that you acknowledge the message (ACK is short for acknowledge, and

a common abbreviation for communication protocol descriptions).  Everyone

else here really doesn't need to know whether you received a message or

not.  If you want to express agreement with a message, say so.

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Tilmann Reh wrote on Thu, 29 April 2010 02:39

Other people have requested exactly those features long enough to

finally get them... Otherwise, Cadsoft would be blamed to not listen

to

the customer requests. You can't serve /all/ people best.

I can understand why CadSoft has to add new features.  The point though is

that all new features which change existing behavior should be made

optional with the default being the old way.  It seems every time I udpate

Eagle I have to waste time figuring out why something that used to work

doesn't work anymore, and usually not when I want to spend that time.  Let

me decide when I want to investigate new features, and then if I want to

enable them at all.

I know the temptation of developers is to show off the shiny new "cool"

features they just spent a lot of time implementing, but please please

resist that temptation.  It drives us existing customers nuts.

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