When is Eagle v8 coming   out?

One of the new exciting features:

Autodesk & Cadsoft will try again to enforce a "licence management"

system that will require you to have an internet connection...

They seem to have forgotten this:

Quote:

Dear Valued EAGLE Customer,

 

With the release of EAGLE v7, CadSoft Computer introduced a new

License Management system for EAGLE in order to better protect

our intellectual property and offer more flexibility and control

to customers with multi-user licenses on a network. During the

two weeks since the launch of EAGLE v7, we have been listening

carefully to your constructive feedback and concerns about the

new License Management technology and have decided to remove the

license management features from EAGLE v7.

 

CadSoft Computer has always, and will always, put the customer

needs at the focus of everything we do. We understand that for a

large group of our customers the current License Management is

causing limitations or is simply not usable in your current work

flow. Therefore, we have decided to withdraw the new License

Management system with immediate effect.

http://www.eaglecentral.ca/index.php/t/49854/c7286ef7ecac30e5ec09e9251159f508/

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On 1/17/2017 2:53 PM, Joop wrote:

One of the new exciting features:

 

Autodesk & Cadsoft will try again to enforce a "licence management"

system that will require you to have an internet connection...

 

They seem to have forgotten this:

Hi Joop,

It was nice to chat with you on friday. I'll never forget that fiasco

with Newark. There were a lot of factors that made that implementation

unuseable. I've played with this one. Even though I know that any change

in this area is going to be met with resistance, this implementation is

probably the least annoying.

So here are the details:

- Gone are key files and installation codes. No more having to store

them or remembering where you put them. Now your EAGLE license will be

tied to you Autodesk Account. When EAGLE starts up for the first time

you will have to login to your Autodesk Account and EAGLE will hit the

Autodesk server to check your entitlement(this is what Autodesk calls

your license).

If everything checks out, you'll be greeted with the control panel. If

you close EAGLE and open it again it will automatically use the

credentials you supplied previously and just start.

- EAGLE can work in offline mode for 14 days. The countdown starts from

the last time EAGLE was able to hit Autodesk servers. So if you go on a

business trip you don't have to worry about Wifi or anything like that.

It is VITAL that you don't sign out. If you sign out and then go

offline, EAGLE won't have your licensing credentials and you won't be

able to work.

That is basically all there is to it. At a minimum you need to be able

to connect to the internet once every two weeks in order to use EAGLE.

This is the same licensing model Fusion uses and it seems to be working

pretty good for them.

Thought it would be useful to spell it out clearly. Let me know if there

are any questions or if I missed something.

Best Regards,

Jorge Garcia

Jorge Garcia wrote on Tue, 17 January 2017 17:18

- EAGLE can work in offline mode for 14 days. The countdown starts from

 

the last time EAGLE was able to hit Autodesk servers. So if you go on a

 

business trip you don't have to worry about Wifi or anything like that.

 

It is VITAL that you don't sign out. If you sign out and then go

offline, EAGLE won't have your licensing credentials and you won't be

able to work.

Hi Jorge,

This is obviously very unwelcome news, but I was expecting it.

Autodesk will be under immense pressure to make sure this is not

problematic for any users. In fact I have never, ever used a piece of

software with this kind of licensing that did not occasionally fail to

authenticate for some reason (ie due to a OS update rendering the license's

system verification incompatible).

I'd be grateful if you could answer two important questions.

1) Will Eagle still allow you to fully inspect designs in read-only mode

while completely offline for more than 14 days (or without an Autodesk

account at all).

2) Will the file formats for boards, schematics and libraries all still be

plain (non-obfuscated) XML? This is very important if we are to trust our

designs to a piece of software that it may not be possible to run at some

point in the future (due to changes at Autodesk or the ownership of Eagle,

for example).

Thanks.

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On 17.01.2017 23:18, Jorge Garcia wrote:

- EAGLE can work in offline mode for 14 days. The countdown starts from

the last time EAGLE was able to hit Autodesk servers. So if you go on a

business trip you don't have to worry about Wifi or anything like that.

It is VITAL that you don't sign out. If you sign out and then go

offline, EAGLE won't have your licensing credentials and you won't be

able to work.

Thats already a showstopper for me. I do field campaigns in very remote

areas of the planet and they are longer then 2 weeks. Is EAGLE going to

work at least as a viewer without a license after the 2 weeks?

Markus

On 01/17/2017 05:18 PM, Jorge Garcia wrote:

On 1/17/2017 2:53 PM, Joop wrote:

One of the new exciting features:

 

Autodesk & Cadsoft will try again to enforce a "licence management"

system that will require you to have an internet connection...

 

They seem to have forgotten this:

Hi Joop,

 

It was nice to chat with you on friday. I'll never forget that fiasco

with Newark. There were a lot of factors that made that implementation

unuseable. I've played with this one. Even though I know that any

change in this area is going to be met with resistance, this

implementation is probably the least annoying.

 

So here are the details:

- Gone are key files and installation codes. No more having to store

them or remembering where you put them. Now your EAGLE license will be

tied to you Autodesk Account.

I have never considered storing a key file, nor remembering where it's

stored, as problems.

When EAGLE starts up for the first time you will have to login to your

Autodesk Account and EAGLE will hit the Autodesk server to check your

entitlement(this is what Autodesk calls your license).

 

If everything checks out, you'll be greeted with the control panel. If

you close EAGLE and open it again it will automatically use the

credentials you supplied previously and just start.

 

- EAGLE can work in offline mode for 14 days. The countdown starts

from the last time EAGLE was able to hit Autodesk servers. So if you

go on a business trip you don't have to worry about Wifi or anything

like that. It is VITAL that you don't sign out. If you sign out and

then go offline, EAGLE won't have your licensing credentials and you

won't be able to work.

 

That is basically all there is to it. At a minimum you need to be able

to connect to the internet once every two weeks in order to use EAGLE.

So, Eagle is going to be rented software.  One of the nice things about

Eagle is that I can use it on a secured system (one that's not connected

to the Internet).  I guess that's out the window with v8.

This also means that the sales model is no longer a purchase, but

instead it is now rented.  The customer now must repeatedly ask

permission to use the software at least every 14 days.

Jorge, I'm sure that everyone reading this is aware of the threat of

cyber attacks.  Such attacks are growing both in frequency and

sophistication.  It is only a matter of time before a Denial-Of-Service

(DOS) attack makes most cloud servers in accessible, perhaps as

collateral damage from an attack on a different target.  The best way to

counter such attacks is to use distributed resources.  And the best

distributed resource model is one that the client doesn't need to get on

the Internet at all, which has been Cadsoft's model.

It's been asked in this thread just how long AutoDesk intends to

authorize any particular license without imposing a renewal fee.  Will I

be able to use v8 even when support for it has long vanished?  A poster

on this thread has already mentioned that he does extended work in

locations where the Internet is not accessible.

I'll add to that that only a limited number of my machines have

connectivity to the Internet.  Version 7 will become the last version

that is installed on them.

This is the same licensing model Fusion uses and it seems to be

working pretty good for them.

Well, Fusion is cloud based, which means that it's rented, and that the

customer's intellectual property (IP) is stored on AutoDesk's servers,

which are not controlled or secured by the customer.  Funny...  They

boast that one can do 3D CAD design from anywhere (phone, table,

desktop).  Shouldn't that be qualified as "anywhere that is Internet

accessible"?

All in all, I'm not happy with this move.  I'll continue to use v7 under

the current license agreement, and will forego upgrading to v8.

I'd like to know if AD has any solution for off-network machines.

Best regards,

    - Chuck

On 01/17/2017 05:18 PM, Jorge Garcia wrote:

On 1/17/2017 2:53 PM, Joop wrote:

One of the new exciting features:

 

Autodesk & Cadsoft will try again to enforce a "licence management"

system that will require you to have an internet connection...

 

They seem to have forgotten this:

Hi Joop,

 

It was nice to chat with you on friday. I'll never forget that fiasco

with Newark. There were a lot of factors that made that implementation

unuseable. I've played with this one. Even though I know that any

change in this area is going to be met with resistance, this

implementation is probably the least annoying.

 

So here are the details:

- Gone are key files and installation codes. No more having to store

them or remembering where you put them. Now your EAGLE license will be

tied to you Autodesk Account.

I have never considered storing a key file, nor remembering where it's

stored, as problems.

When EAGLE starts up for the first time you will have to login to your

Autodesk Account and EAGLE will hit the Autodesk server to check your

entitlement(this is what Autodesk calls your license).

 

If everything checks out, you'll be greeted with the control panel. If

you close EAGLE and open it again it will automatically use the

credentials you supplied previously and just start.

 

- EAGLE can work in offline mode for 14 days. The countdown starts

from the last time EAGLE was able to hit Autodesk servers. So if you

go on a business trip you don't have to worry about Wifi or anything

like that. It is VITAL that you don't sign out. If you sign out and

then go offline, EAGLE won't have your licensing credentials and you

won't be able to work.

 

That is basically all there is to it. At a minimum you need to be able

to connect to the internet once every two weeks in order to use EAGLE.

So, Eagle is going to be rented software.  One of the nice things about

Eagle is that I can use it on a secured system (one that's not connected

to the Internet).  I guess that's out the window with v8.

This also means that the sales model is no longer a purchase, but

instead it is now rented.  The customer now must repeatedly ask

permission to use the software at least every 14 days.

Jorge, I'm sure that everyone reading this is aware of the threat of

cyber attacks.  Such attacks are growing both in frequency and

sophistication.  It is only a matter of time before a Denial-Of-Service

(DOS) attack makes most cloud servers in accessible, perhaps as

collateral damage from an attack on a different target.  The best way to

counter such attacks is to use distributed resources.  And the best

distributed resource model is one that the client doesn't need to get on

the Internet at all, which has been Cadsoft's model.

It's been asked in this thread just how long AutoDesk intends to

authorize any particular license without imposing a renewal fee.  Will I

be able to use v8 even when support for it has long vanished?  A poster

on this thread has already mentioned that he does extended work in

locations where the Internet is not accessible.

I'll add to that that only a limited number of my machines have

connectivity to the Internet.  Version 7 will become the last version

that is installed on them.

This is the same licensing model Fusion uses and it seems to be

working pretty good for them.

Well, Fusion is cloud based, which means that it's rented, and that the

customer's intellectual property (IP) is stored on AutoDesk's servers,

which are not controlled or secured by the customer.  Funny...  They

boast that one can do 3D CAD design from anywhere (phone, table,

desktop).  Shouldn't that be qualified as "anywhere that is Internet

accessible"?

All in all, I'm not happy with this move.  I'll continue to use v7 under

the current license agreement, and will forego upgrading to v8.

I'd like to know if AD has any solution for off-network machines.

Best regards,

    - Chuck

Hi Jorge,

 

This is obviously very unwelcome news, but I was expecting it.

 

Autodesk will be under immense pressure to make sure this is not

problematic for any users. In fact I have never, ever used a piece of

software with this kind of licensing that did not occasionally fail to

authenticate for some reason (ie due to a OS update rendering the license's

system verification incompatible).

 

I'd be grateful if you could answer two important questions.

 

1) Will Eagle still allow you to fully inspect designs in read-only mode

while completely offline for more than 14 days (or without an Autodesk

account at all).

As of right now it becomes unusable. I was not aware of that, I will

bring it to the attention of management immediately to see if this can

be changed. Having it as a reader shouldn't conflict with Autodesk

policies.

You need to have an Autodesk account, even to use the freeware. They are

easy to obtain from accounts.autodesk.com

 

2) Will the file formats for boards, schematics and libraries all still be

plain (non-obfuscated) XML? This is very important if we are to trust our

designs to a piece of software that it may not be possible to run at some

point in the future (due to changes at Autodesk or the ownership of Eagle,

for example).

Yes, we will continue to be XML.

Best Regards,

Jorge Garcia

On 1/17/2017 5:48 PM, Rachael wrote:

Hi Jorge,

 

Can you confirm that it will still work on multiple machines? I.e. I

currently run EAGLE on two Mac's and one Linux PC, as I use different

machines depending upon where I am and what I am doing. If that ability

were no longer available that would be an issue for me.

 

Best Regards,

 

Rachael

 

Hello Rachael,

I can confirm that you can still work across multiple machines. Just

login to each machine the first time.

You may occasionally have to login again, but yes you can run EAGLE on

all of the machines you own.

Best Regards,

Jorge Garcia

 

That is basically all there is to it. At a minimum you need to be able

to connect to the internet once every two weeks in order to use EAGLE.

 

So, Eagle is going to be rented software.  One of the nice things about

Eagle is that I can use it on a secured system (one that's not connected

to the Internet).  I guess that's out the window with v8.

 

This also means that the sales model is no longer a purchase, but

instead it is now rented.  The customer now must repeatedly ask

permission to use the software at least every 14 days.

Just to clarify, you don't have to login every 14 days. EAGLE needs to

be able to reach the server at least once every 14 days. You are correct

in that EAGLE is now a subscription model. You can pay for it on a

yearly basis or if you only work occasionally on EAGLE you can choose to

pay monthly.

 

Jorge, I'm sure that everyone reading this is aware of the threat of

cyber attacks.  Such attacks are growing both in frequency and

sophistication.  It is only a matter of time before a Denial-Of-Service

(DOS) attack makes most cloud servers in accessible, perhaps as

collateral damage from an attack on a different target.  The best way to

counter such attacks is to use distributed resources.  And the best

distributed resource model is one that the client doesn't need to get on

the Internet at all, which has been Cadsoft's model.

 

It's been asked in this thread just how long AutoDesk intends to

authorize any particular license without imposing a renewal fee.

See my answer above.

   Will I

be able to use v8 even when support for it has long vanished?  A poster

on this thread has already mentioned that he does extended work in

locations where the Internet is not accessible.

Fusion updates continously so as long as you pay the subscription fee

you are always using the latest features and moving your files forward.

As it stands now if you are not on subscription you won't be able to use

EAGLE v8 or any other version that may come out in the future. It

behaves like an electric bill, if you don't pay it the power gets shut off.

 

I'd like to know if AD has any solution for off-network machines.

At this point in time and under this licensing mechanism there is no

solution for off-network machines. There are other schemes at ADSK that

do allow off-network licenses, but EAGLE doesn't currently have them. I

will be making our management aware of this full thread to see what

improvements can be made.

Autodesk is full subscription going forward and this position is

non-negotiable. I know that for a lot of you this is not good news, but

there's not much that can be done about it.

I'm truly sorry guys.

Jorge Garcia

Thats already a showstopper for me. I do field campaigns in very remote

areas of the planet and they are longer then 2 weeks. Is EAGLE going to

work at least as a viewer without a license after the 2 weeks?

 

Markus

 

Hi Markus,

For now it won't, but I've brought to the attention of management. Let's

see what they say.

Best Regards,

Jorge Garcia

As it stands now if you are not on subscription you won't be able to use

EAGLE v8 or any other version that may come out in the future. It

behaves like an electric bill, if you don't pay it the power gets shut off.

This excludes the freeware, because the freeware is free. All you need

to use it is an Autodesk account. My comment above only concerns paid

licenses. I read it again and wanted to make sure that it's clear, we

still have a freeware and it's still free.

Best Regards,

Jorge Garcia

Hi Jorge,

What will be the rental (subscription) cost for the 'EAGLE Make' version?

To be honest I don't necessarily mind subscription provided that over the long run it works out cheaper than renewing under the old model, so if there is (say) a major release each year, and it would have cost (say) 100 euro per release with the older non-subscription model, then (say) 200 euro for three years under subscription  (i.e. $8 per month) looks really good.

Some people stay on older releases to save costs, so they will be less inclined to do that if they see that they can continue to have the latest release if they want it, at a lower overall cost.

But it does have to work really well, there is nothing more frustrating than swapping out some hardware on the PC and finding that the software locks up and an e-mail needs to be sent.

Anyway, this is just a single opinion, I know others have used EAGLE for a lot longer than me and know the commercial models a lot better than me, and I truly respect their opinion. I just wanted to provide some input from a personal user perspective, for EAGLE Make version only.

Hi Jorge,

What will be the rental (subscription) cost for the 'EAGLE Make' version?

To be honest I don't necessarily mind subscription provided that over the long run it works out cheaper than renewing under the old model, so if there is (say) a major release each year, and it would have cost (say) 100 euro per release with the older non-subscription model, then (say) 200 euro for three years under subscription  (i.e. $8 per month) looks really good.

Some people stay on older releases to save costs, so they will be less inclined to do that if they see that they can continue to have the latest release if they want it, at a lower overall cost.

But it does have to work really well, there is nothing more frustrating than swapping out some hardware on the PC and finding that the software locks up and an e-mail needs to be sent.

Anyway, this is just a single opinion, I know others have used EAGLE for a lot longer than me and know the commercial models a lot better than me, and I truly respect their opinion. I just wanted to provide some input from a personal user perspective, for EAGLE Make version only.

On 01/18/2017 01:14 PM, shabaz wrote:

Hi Jorge,

 

What will be the rental (subscription) cost for the 'EAGLE Make' version?

To be honest I don't necessarily mind subscription provided that over the long run it works out cheaper than renewing under the old model, so if there is (say) a major release each year, and it would have cost (say)

100 euro per release with the older non-subscription model, then (say)

200 euro for three years under subscription  (i.e. $8 per month) looks

really good.

 

Some people stay on older releases to save costs, so they will be less inclined to do that if they see that they can continue to have the latest release if they want it, at a lower overall cost.

 

But it does have to work really well, there is nothing more frustrating than swapping out some hardware on the PC and finding that the software locks up and an e-mail needs to be sent.

 

Anyway, this is just a single opinion, I know others have used EAGLE for a lot longer than me and know the commercial models a lot better than me, and I

truly respect their opinion. I just wanted to provide some input from a

personal user perspective, for EAGLE Make version only.

 

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Hi Shabaz,

Pricing structure will be officially announced soon enough, there will

be pricing options that are really close to your request.  EAGLE will be

tied to your Autodesk Account, so no matter what happens as long as you

have online access you should be able to activate EAGLE.  As stated

earlier, the free version will remain available.

Your participation and comments on the Forum are greatly appreciated.

Ed