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Eagle v8 licensing...

technolomaniac
technolomaniac over 8 years ago

Hi All --

 

Moving this to a separate thread so it doesn't get lost in the ether.  Here's my two cents on licensing and I'd love your feedback:

 

Firstly, the Autodesk licensing model is subscription and the EAGLE paid license will require that you install the SW and then generate an account to retrieve your license entitlement.  Once you have this, you are good to go and the SW will run as expected.  If you lose your network connection, the SW has a 14-day heartbeat that will enable you to work offline for 14 days.  I know that some folks would prefer to never have to connect, but this is required to support a monthly subscription model that can be selectively enabled and disabled when you use the SW (so you only pay when you use it).  The total cost of ownership for those folks using it less than a few weeks a year will thus be substantially lower and still enables you to access the full software for less money.  <Insert revolt here>  image

 

WRT to "what happens if autodesk decides to one day just shut off the license server?" ...ok, sure, that's possible, but so is a reality TV star becoming President of the..cough...nevermind, bad example.

 

Point is, that's a pretty remote possibility (think: time travel and alien invasions) and it wouldn't benefit us *at all* to upset the users we just spent real money hoping to bring into autodesk and earn their business.  As the guy with both development and P&L for the product, I can tell you that it's counterintuitive and wouldn't benefit us at all.  We know this.  We make SW used by governments, movie studios, game developers, MEs, Civil Engineers, machinists, etc. and you can bet that shutting down a license server is not to our benefit in any of these categories.  To demonstrate this behavior in one category, without a path for user SW and data, calls into question ALL of our tools' viability under this model.  Not helpful.

 

Now...a question was raised about "but what if I drop my subscription and I want my data".  Awesome, the data is yours and lives on your machine.  And for SW that stores data in the cloud (we have some of these) we always provide a path to your data.  If this again fails with one product, it puts all of the others up for discussion.  Again, not helpful.  (Read:  strategy = doomed).

 

"So what about needing an entitlement for the freeware to open the data I created in another version (a *paid* version) and reading it?  What if I want access and I dont want the 14-day time out?"

 

So here's the deal...We can do better here.  So we will.  Here's my commitment to the group here for freeware that ensures you always have a license that you can fall back on without need of internet connection *except when you first install it* (which after all, you would have had to get it in the first place):  in version 8.1 or 8.0.1 or whathaveyou (let's call it 'a future release'), if you install the SW and authenticate once, we'll remove the timer req.  So what I'm saying another way is, the freeware will require you to login the first time to get your license, but if you log out beyond that, you're good.  You got your entitlement and you can use it freely without connection.

 

Caveat:  to install an update, you will need to login.  The update server (which issues the new version...e.g. 8.1 or 8.2. or 8.0.1, etc.) requires that you login and get the update, but beyond that, logout.  Thus if you want to go off-grid in a mountain cabin somewhere, get your license at Starbucks (blagh! I understand they have 'free' wifi, but no frappucinos!  ...that stuff is bad for you) then get your license and go on your merry way up to the snow drenched peaks.  When you hear from the other mountaineers or your local yodeler that a new version of EAGLE is available...download, login, get your license, get your 'decaf double-pump vanilla non-fat latte macchiato' and head back up the slopes.

 

Point being, we can do the freeware better.  So we will.

 

Hope this is clear.  Let us know if you have questions!

 

Best regards,

 

Matt Berggren

Director - Autodesk

@technolomaniac

hackaday.io/matt

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  • COMPACT
    COMPACT over 8 years ago in reply to autodeskguest +4
    Not to worry, it's back to the Drawing board for me.
  • shabaz
    shabaz over 8 years ago +3
    Hi Matt, When will the EAGLE Maker version (or another solution for hobbiests) be v8-ready? I see the subscription for 'EAGLE Standard' and 'EAGLE Premium' are now available on the website, but not EAGLE…
  • albertovignati
    albertovignati over 8 years ago in reply to techsupport +3
    Il 21/02/2017 22:54, Ed Robledo ha scritto: The customers are the sole driving force to the improvements to EAGLE. Some of these 'wants' take time to be done right, that's the reason they were not done…
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  • Joop14
    Joop14 over 8 years ago

    Future of Eagle...

     

    https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/bim-360-glue-forum/bim-360-is-currently-unavailable-please-try-again-later/td-p/6909972

     

    Best Regards,

     

    Karel

     

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    EAGLE support forums at http://www.eaglecentral.ca :: Where the EAGLE community meets.

     

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  • rbtx99
    rbtx99 over 8 years ago in reply to Joop14

    Probably the outage was related to this...

     

     

    Amazon typo knocked websites offline - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-39151932

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  • rbtx99
    rbtx99 over 8 years ago in reply to techsupport

    Ed Robledo wrote:

     

    Hi,

    Just as reminder, EAGLE can work offline for up to 14 days.

    Ed

     

    Just as reminder, we were told it would be perpetual license... and those 14 days can easily become 'connect every time' when Autodesk decides.

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  • burner
    burner over 8 years ago in reply to rbtx99

    And they just did it. If you have student licence and Eagle 8.0.3 It wants internet connection each time when you start Eagle control panel. So example when you go to airplane or to bus what goes trough area where is no mobile connection, remember launch it first. When you are on air it is too late. I feel that is time to start study kicad.

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  • rachaelp
    rachaelp over 8 years ago in reply to burner

    Burner . wrote:

     

    And they just did it. If you have student licence and Eagle 8.0.3 It wants internet connection each time when you start Eagle control panel. So example when you go to airplane or to bus what goes trough area where is no mobile connection, remember launch it first. When you are on air it is too late. I feel that is time to start study kicad.

    Really? If this is indeed true it would be disappointing but I think likely just a mistake to be corrected. I can't even see v8.0.3 available anywhere so maybe if they did release it they realised and pulled it already?

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  • technolomaniac
    technolomaniac over 8 years ago in reply to burner

    This is false and I'm not sure where youre getting this information.  Have you tested this or you're just making assumptions? 

     

    FWIW, it rolls over to freeware when you are outside of the 14-day window but the token persists for educational version when you are offline.  If you log in on an airplane, the token you have would continue to work.  In fact, the educational version is a premium license (which is never was in the past...that cost $$$ in the past).  The software *should* never stop working by virtue of going offline.

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  • Joop14
    Joop14 over 8 years ago in reply to technolomaniac

    Matt Berggren wrote on Wed, 08 March 2017 17:28

    *This is false and I'm not sure where youre getting this

    information.  Have you tested this or you're just making assumptions? 

    Is this your first post on the forum?  If so, perhaps you can test

    things before making unsubstantiated claims on the forums so we dont have

    misdirection here.  Thanks! *

     

     

    Hi Matt, if I remember well, you are the person who said that Eagle

    shouldn't go subscription.

    Were you just making an unsubstantiated claim? This is false

     

     

     

     

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    EAGLE support forums at http://www.eaglecentral.ca :: Where the EAGLE community meets.

     

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  • autodeskguest
    autodeskguest over 8 years ago in reply to technolomaniac

    Matt Berggren wrote on Wed, 08 March 2017 09:28

    *This is false and I'm not sure where youre getting this information.

     

    So Matt, why do you go away for a while, then swoop in to make statements

    like this, then disappear again?  (Your last post here is from February

    24.)  You still haven't answered my questions about who runs these servers,

    and as far as I know, you still haven't given James a direct answer to his

    last message.  You seem to be quite selective in what you respond to.

     

    I'm starting to wonder if you're a douche in real life, since from my

    perspective, you're sure coming across as one here...

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  • burner
    burner over 8 years ago in reply to technolomaniac

    I tested it. Several times, I also try install it again, I try open it different ways and all times same result. Without connection it asks to connect network first and press retry. Anyway that retry button does not work. When I am on internet there is no problem at all. I can just open it and it works. BUT if I close Control Panel and try open it without network it is each time same thing. Because looks that you have some kind trust issues with first posters I also attach screen capture. And BTW I find that forum because I try find solution to that problem. So Matt I totally understand that you want to be first, but it does not make you a president even you claim that it is false news.

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  • autodeskguest
    autodeskguest over 8 years ago in reply to burner

    On 3/8/2017 5:55 PM, Burner . wrote:

    I tested it. Several times, I also try install it again, I try open it different ways and all times same result. Without connection it asks to connect network first and press retry. Anyway that retry button does not work. When I am on internet there is no problem at all. I can just open it and it works. BUT if I close Control Panel and try open it without network it is each time same thing. Because looks that you have some kind trust issues with first posters I also attach screen capture. And BTW I find that forum because I try find solution to that problem. So Matt I totally understand that you want to be first, but it does not make you a president even you claim that it is false news.

     

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    To view any images and attachments in this post, visit:

    https://www.element14.com/community/message/217916

     

     

    Hi Burner,

     

    What operating system are you working with? Are you on Linux?

    On Linux, EAGLE currently has difficulty with Mac addresses when you are

    not connected through an Ethernet cable. This is a known issue and we

    are looking onto it.

     

    If you are not on linux, please e-mail me directly

    support@cadsoftusa.com and we'll look into it some more.

     

    Best Regards,

    Jorge Garcia

     

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    We have a new forum here <http://forums.autodesk.com>

     

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  • technolomaniac
    technolomaniac over 8 years ago in reply to Joop14

    This isnt correct. I stated we hadn't planned to do this and it wasn't a priority at the time however we may do it in the future.  Paraphrasing I believe I'd said "we weren't planning this however could I say we never would?  No.  But it wasn't a priority."  So you're omitting an important piece of the overall story.  We made the call to do this with version 8.  So I'd appreciate if it was characterized as though Id been dishonest.  Thanks!

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  • technolomaniac
    technolomaniac over 8 years ago in reply to autodeskguest

    I'd corrected an innacuracy and I'll thank you for not trolling another user (myself included) and reducing this to a name calling exercise.

     

    If you want to know more about me and what I get up to, checkout my hackaday profile (Hackaday.com/matt). When it's not building OSHW stuff or dropping in here when I can,  I'm working on EAGLE...if indeed your curious what Im up to. 

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    technolomaniac over 8 years ago in reply to autodeskguest

    I'd corrected an innacuracy and I'll thank you for not trolling another user (myself included) and reducing this to a name calling exercise.

     

    If you want to know more about me and what I get up to, checkout my hackaday profile (Hackaday.com/matt). When it's not building OSHW stuff or dropping in here when I can,  I'm working on EAGLE...if indeed your curious what Im up to. 

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  • autodeskguest
    autodeskguest over 8 years ago in reply to technolomaniac

    On 09/03/17 03:45, Matt Berggren wrote:

    I'd corrected an innacuracy

     

    No, you hadn't.

     

    Sorry, Matt, I can understand that you feel frustrated by the number of

    people who took your poorly worded statement many months ago at face

    value and now hate you with a vengeance, but your tone on here has been

    consistently rude and argumentative. In this case, you ACCUSED HIM OF

    LYING. That is NOT the same as correcting and inaccuracy. You need to

    sound less like a troll yourself before accusing anyone else of trolling.

     

    Now I shall once more remove myself from this pointless argument.

     

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    autodeskguest over 8 years ago in reply to technolomaniac

    Matt Berggren wrote on Wed, 08 March 2017 20:45

    I'd corrected an innacuracy and I'll thank you for not trolling another

    user (myself included) and reducing this to a name calling exercise.

     

    So, the point remains.  Why will you not answer my and/or some other

    people's questions?  As I said, you seem to be very selective about what

    you respond to, and you are reinforcing it with this very message.

     

    BTW, you brought the subject up, I asked you to cite your sources, you've

    ignored me, I called you out.  That is not trolling.

     

    Quote:

    If you want to know more about me and what I get up to, checkout my

    hackaday profile (Hackaday.com/matt). When it's not building OSHW stuff

    or dropping in here when I can,  I'm working on EAGLE...if indeed your

    curious what Im up to.

     

    I don't care about what you "get up to" other than how it affects EAGLE.

    You could be some global humanitarian and it still wouldn't change the

    perception of how you interact with us here.  Now I have to admit "dropping

    in here when can" makes you seem more like a seagull than a douche.

    You lectured me about this community in a past message, but I really

    believe it's you who is not a part of the community.  You can "correct an

    inaccuracy" of my perception by answering my questions directly...

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    EAGLE support forums at http://www.eaglecentral.ca :: Where the EAGLE community meets.

     

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