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Eagle v8 licensing...

technolomaniac
technolomaniac over 8 years ago

Hi All --

 

Moving this to a separate thread so it doesn't get lost in the ether.  Here's my two cents on licensing and I'd love your feedback:

 

Firstly, the Autodesk licensing model is subscription and the EAGLE paid license will require that you install the SW and then generate an account to retrieve your license entitlement.  Once you have this, you are good to go and the SW will run as expected.  If you lose your network connection, the SW has a 14-day heartbeat that will enable you to work offline for 14 days.  I know that some folks would prefer to never have to connect, but this is required to support a monthly subscription model that can be selectively enabled and disabled when you use the SW (so you only pay when you use it).  The total cost of ownership for those folks using it less than a few weeks a year will thus be substantially lower and still enables you to access the full software for less money.  <Insert revolt here>  image

 

WRT to "what happens if autodesk decides to one day just shut off the license server?" ...ok, sure, that's possible, but so is a reality TV star becoming President of the..cough...nevermind, bad example.

 

Point is, that's a pretty remote possibility (think: time travel and alien invasions) and it wouldn't benefit us *at all* to upset the users we just spent real money hoping to bring into autodesk and earn their business.  As the guy with both development and P&L for the product, I can tell you that it's counterintuitive and wouldn't benefit us at all.  We know this.  We make SW used by governments, movie studios, game developers, MEs, Civil Engineers, machinists, etc. and you can bet that shutting down a license server is not to our benefit in any of these categories.  To demonstrate this behavior in one category, without a path for user SW and data, calls into question ALL of our tools' viability under this model.  Not helpful.

 

Now...a question was raised about "but what if I drop my subscription and I want my data".  Awesome, the data is yours and lives on your machine.  And for SW that stores data in the cloud (we have some of these) we always provide a path to your data.  If this again fails with one product, it puts all of the others up for discussion.  Again, not helpful.  (Read:  strategy = doomed).

 

"So what about needing an entitlement for the freeware to open the data I created in another version (a *paid* version) and reading it?  What if I want access and I dont want the 14-day time out?"

 

So here's the deal...We can do better here.  So we will.  Here's my commitment to the group here for freeware that ensures you always have a license that you can fall back on without need of internet connection *except when you first install it* (which after all, you would have had to get it in the first place):  in version 8.1 or 8.0.1 or whathaveyou (let's call it 'a future release'), if you install the SW and authenticate once, we'll remove the timer req.  So what I'm saying another way is, the freeware will require you to login the first time to get your license, but if you log out beyond that, you're good.  You got your entitlement and you can use it freely without connection.

 

Caveat:  to install an update, you will need to login.  The update server (which issues the new version...e.g. 8.1 or 8.2. or 8.0.1, etc.) requires that you login and get the update, but beyond that, logout.  Thus if you want to go off-grid in a mountain cabin somewhere, get your license at Starbucks (blagh! I understand they have 'free' wifi, but no frappucinos!  ...that stuff is bad for you) then get your license and go on your merry way up to the snow drenched peaks.  When you hear from the other mountaineers or your local yodeler that a new version of EAGLE is available...download, login, get your license, get your 'decaf double-pump vanilla non-fat latte macchiato' and head back up the slopes.

 

Point being, we can do the freeware better.  So we will.

 

Hope this is clear.  Let us know if you have questions!

 

Best regards,

 

Matt Berggren

Director - Autodesk

@technolomaniac

hackaday.io/matt

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  • COMPACT
    COMPACT over 8 years ago in reply to autodeskguest +4
    Not to worry, it's back to the Drawing board for me.
  • shabaz
    shabaz over 8 years ago +3
    Hi Matt, When will the EAGLE Maker version (or another solution for hobbiests) be v8-ready? I see the subscription for 'EAGLE Standard' and 'EAGLE Premium' are now available on the website, but not EAGLE…
  • albertovignati
    albertovignati over 8 years ago in reply to techsupport +3
    Il 21/02/2017 22:54, Ed Robledo ha scritto: The customers are the sole driving force to the improvements to EAGLE. Some of these 'wants' take time to be done right, that's the reason they were not done…
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  • Joop14
    Joop14 over 8 years ago

    Future of Eagle...

     

    https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/bim-360-glue-forum/bim-360-is-currently-unavailable-please-try-again-later/td-p/6909972

     

    Best Regards,

     

    Karel

     

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    EAGLE support forums at http://www.eaglecentral.ca :: Where the EAGLE community meets.

     

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  • rbtx99
    rbtx99 over 8 years ago in reply to Joop14

    Probably the outage was related to this...

     

     

    Amazon typo knocked websites offline - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-39151932

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  • macegr
    macegr over 8 years ago in reply to technolomaniac

    Your defense after the revealing of the subscription model was that all of Autodesk's software was actively moving to subscription, and it was the wave of the future since everyone was doing it. But those reasons were true at the time you said you weren't planning on a subscription model. So we incorrectly thought that Eagle was being treated differently than the rest of Autodesk's products. Based on the timeline, the idea of moving to subscription had to be actively discussed around then...otherwise how would you have had the time to integrate the code for the new licensing, create all the new websites and documentation, integrate the new SKU into Autodesk's accounting system, and test everything? Plus make a couple of small changes to the schematic and PCB layout behavior?

     

    Now, if the move to subscription was being discussed without your involvement, we could understand your statement reassuring us that subscription was not on the road map. But if that's true, it must have sucked to have that decision handed to you without your input or even asking current customers about the possibility.

     

    I will give you credit, ever since that statement about subscription not being planned (but maybe someday), you simply just didn't answer direct questions about whether subscription was being planned. So it's not like you lied at all, you just made a reassuring statement with a loophole you could use, and then hid what you were actually doing. That's way better than being lied to as other claim above, but strangely it feels much the same.

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  • technolomaniac
    technolomaniac over 8 years ago in reply to macegr

    Thanks Garrett.  I can appreciate what everyone's feeling and I can only add that it wasn't anything as sinister as "we had a master plan" or that we hoped to use misdirection to mislead you or anyone else.  We just hadn't thought much about it at the time when we first closed on the acquisition and now that we're firing on all cylinders in development, we made the move.  We timed this with version 8 because that's when we started getting up to speed on the code base an the CI/CD model was in our sights.  Now that it's happened, it isn't a direction we're going to change, however it's coming with a massive uptick in investment in development that will yield some pretty amazing new technology.   This hopefully doesn't get lost in the weeds.  Continuous deployment is a commitment we have to make with all Autodesk tools when we move to subscription and this is happening.  That release cycle is gaining speed very fast.  (I wasn't kidding about investment in routing, in ECAD<>MCAD or library improvements, etc.)  We'll continue to invest in this (big $$) and as people follow EAGLE development, it's incumbent on us to bring the "wishlist" to life.  We're not in this for the short-game.  This is a long term investment in the future of electronic product development.

     

    Best regards.

    Matt

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  • macegr
    macegr over 8 years ago in reply to technolomaniac

    I understand, I really do. I recognize that you're dedicated to making this a good product. However, it's just not for me and many of the past customers of Eagle, or for EE professionals. It's for someone else that Autodesk believes is a larger, more lucrative market.

     

    And honestly, the only reason we're in here and upset is because we cared. But I don't know what the point is anymore. If you waved a magic wand and a permanent license was available, and if the free version worked as a viewer with zero internet requirement to install, would I re-invest?

     

    The punchbowl has already been turded. We're all looking at it just floating there. And you're saying that the next party over also has a turd in the punchbowl but that's not important, you're going to the store right now to get top-shelf vodka and fruit juice, you're going to pour it all over the top of the turd and the punch will be only the fruitiest, most alcoholic bowl of punch we've ever seen. Seriously great punch.

     

    But if I get what I want, and you fish out the turd, am I going line up for a drink? No. Damage is already done. Trust is gone.

     

    It's been a great run, Eagle. I'll use my old copy until it doesn't work, or until I learn enough about other tools to like them more.

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  • burner
    burner over 8 years ago in reply to autodeskguest

    Windows 10 64 bit. At earlier post I claim that I use 8.0.3 it is typo. It is 8.0.2

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  • burner
    burner over 8 years ago in reply to technolomaniac

    Nope, It just get closed. Also if I connect to net when that window is already open and press that refresh button nothing happens. Only way to get that running is that computer needs to be connected to internet when I launch software. If I connect it when that windows is already open I need close and reopen eagle to get it work. I can close & open files via eagle control panel. Anyway if I example open file via explorer and it will start new instance of control panel it will not open if computer is not at net.

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  • autodeskguest
    autodeskguest over 8 years ago in reply to technolomaniac

    On 09/03/17 03:45, Matt Berggren wrote:

    I'd corrected an innacuracy

     

    No, you hadn't.

     

    Sorry, Matt, I can understand that you feel frustrated by the number of

    people who took your poorly worded statement many months ago at face

    value and now hate you with a vengeance, but your tone on here has been

    consistently rude and argumentative. In this case, you ACCUSED HIM OF

    LYING. That is NOT the same as correcting and inaccuracy. You need to

    sound less like a troll yourself before accusing anyone else of trolling.

     

    Now I shall once more remove myself from this pointless argument.

     

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  • autodeskguest
    autodeskguest over 8 years ago in reply to burner

    On 03/09/2017 12:50 AM, Burner . wrote:

    Nope, It just get closed. Also if I connect to net when that window is already open and press that refresh button nothing happens. Only way to get that running is that computer needs to be connected to internet when I launch software. If I connect it when that windows is already open I need close and reopen eagle to get it work. I can close & open files via eagle control panel. Anyway if I example open file via explorer and it will start new instance of control panel it will not open if computer is not at net.

     

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    If you don't have a network connection you don't have a mac address. It

    also changes from eithernet connection vs wifi.

    Paul

     

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  • geralds
    geralds over 8 years ago in reply to autodeskguest

    CadSoft Guest wrote:

     

    Re: Eagle v8 licensing...

     

    If you don't have a network connection you don't have a mac address. It

    also changes from eithernet connection vs wifi.

    Paul

     

    Hi Paul,

     

    ähm ??? what does mac with Ethernet?? - they are two pair of shoes.

    The MAC-address is "fix"(of course changeable register entry) in the hardware, Ethernet is a protocol.

     

    If you have no connection firstly you have no protocol or no cable connection, and then can happen also missing a MAC.

    But the MAC is coming with the manufactured hardware.

    -> If you say "if you don't have Ethernet, you have no MAC" - then i suggest that there was a hack attack. image

     

    Gerald

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  • burner
    burner over 8 years ago in reply to autodeskguest

    If you don't have a network connection you don't have a mac address. It

    also changes from eithernet connection vs wifi.

    Paul

     

    That can explain it.

    Anyway I see that more like bug than feature then. Modern Windows 10 machines jump interfaces up and down quite lot depending do you have cable, wifi or vpn connected. If that software licence system use only active interface mac or prefer it it is not good software design. Yes it can be feature but so brain dead one that in perspective of users it is just badly broken software.

    Good licencing modules are base of software vendor business. Bad ones are just way to get rid of customers and destroy business. I know that cad soft had have poor ones (flexlm) at their softwares what are at monopoly position in business.  Anyway in PCB cad market they are not at monopoly position so enforcing customers to poor technology can lead just mass escape of customers.

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  • autodeskguest
    autodeskguest over 8 years ago in reply to technolomaniac

    Matt Berggren wrote on Wed, 08 March 2017 20:45

    I'd corrected an innacuracy and I'll thank you for not trolling another

    user (myself included) and reducing this to a name calling exercise.

     

    So, the point remains.  Why will you not answer my and/or some other

    people's questions?  As I said, you seem to be very selective about what

    you respond to, and you are reinforcing it with this very message.

     

    BTW, you brought the subject up, I asked you to cite your sources, you've

    ignored me, I called you out.  That is not trolling.

     

    Quote:

    If you want to know more about me and what I get up to, checkout my

    hackaday profile (Hackaday.com/matt). When it's not building OSHW stuff

    or dropping in here when I can,  I'm working on EAGLE...if indeed your

    curious what Im up to.

     

    I don't care about what you "get up to" other than how it affects EAGLE.

    You could be some global humanitarian and it still wouldn't change the

    perception of how you interact with us here.  Now I have to admit "dropping

    in here when can" makes you seem more like a seagull than a douche.

    You lectured me about this community in a past message, but I really

    believe it's you who is not a part of the community.  You can "correct an

    inaccuracy" of my perception by answering my questions directly...

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    EAGLE support forums at http://www.eaglecentral.ca :: Where the EAGLE community meets.

     

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    autodeskguest over 8 years ago in reply to technolomaniac

    Matt Berggren wrote on Wed, 08 March 2017 20:45

    I'd corrected an innacuracy and I'll thank you for not trolling another

    user (myself included) and reducing this to a name calling exercise.

     

    So, the point remains.  Why will you not answer my and/or some other

    people's questions?  As I said, you seem to be very selective about what

    you respond to, and you are reinforcing it with this very message.

     

    BTW, you brought the subject up, I asked you to cite your sources, you've

    ignored me, I called you out.  That is not trolling.

     

    Quote:

    If you want to know more about me and what I get up to, checkout my

    hackaday profile (Hackaday.com/matt). When it's not building OSHW stuff

    or dropping in here when I can,  I'm working on EAGLE...if indeed your

    curious what Im up to.

     

    I don't care about what you "get up to" other than how it affects EAGLE.

    You could be some global humanitarian and it still wouldn't change the

    perception of how you interact with us here.  Now I have to admit "dropping

    in here when can" makes you seem more like a seagull than a douche.

    You lectured me about this community in a past message, but I really

    believe it's you who is not a part of the community.  You can "correct an

    inaccuracy" of my perception by answering my questions directly...

    --

    EAGLE support forums at http://www.eaglecentral.ca :: Where the EAGLE community meets.

     

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