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Eagle v8 licensing...

technolomaniac
technolomaniac over 8 years ago

Hi All --

 

Moving this to a separate thread so it doesn't get lost in the ether.  Here's my two cents on licensing and I'd love your feedback:

 

Firstly, the Autodesk licensing model is subscription and the EAGLE paid license will require that you install the SW and then generate an account to retrieve your license entitlement.  Once you have this, you are good to go and the SW will run as expected.  If you lose your network connection, the SW has a 14-day heartbeat that will enable you to work offline for 14 days.  I know that some folks would prefer to never have to connect, but this is required to support a monthly subscription model that can be selectively enabled and disabled when you use the SW (so you only pay when you use it).  The total cost of ownership for those folks using it less than a few weeks a year will thus be substantially lower and still enables you to access the full software for less money.  <Insert revolt here>  image

 

WRT to "what happens if autodesk decides to one day just shut off the license server?" ...ok, sure, that's possible, but so is a reality TV star becoming President of the..cough...nevermind, bad example.

 

Point is, that's a pretty remote possibility (think: time travel and alien invasions) and it wouldn't benefit us *at all* to upset the users we just spent real money hoping to bring into autodesk and earn their business.  As the guy with both development and P&L for the product, I can tell you that it's counterintuitive and wouldn't benefit us at all.  We know this.  We make SW used by governments, movie studios, game developers, MEs, Civil Engineers, machinists, etc. and you can bet that shutting down a license server is not to our benefit in any of these categories.  To demonstrate this behavior in one category, without a path for user SW and data, calls into question ALL of our tools' viability under this model.  Not helpful.

 

Now...a question was raised about "but what if I drop my subscription and I want my data".  Awesome, the data is yours and lives on your machine.  And for SW that stores data in the cloud (we have some of these) we always provide a path to your data.  If this again fails with one product, it puts all of the others up for discussion.  Again, not helpful.  (Read:  strategy = doomed).

 

"So what about needing an entitlement for the freeware to open the data I created in another version (a *paid* version) and reading it?  What if I want access and I dont want the 14-day time out?"

 

So here's the deal...We can do better here.  So we will.  Here's my commitment to the group here for freeware that ensures you always have a license that you can fall back on without need of internet connection *except when you first install it* (which after all, you would have had to get it in the first place):  in version 8.1 or 8.0.1 or whathaveyou (let's call it 'a future release'), if you install the SW and authenticate once, we'll remove the timer req.  So what I'm saying another way is, the freeware will require you to login the first time to get your license, but if you log out beyond that, you're good.  You got your entitlement and you can use it freely without connection.

 

Caveat:  to install an update, you will need to login.  The update server (which issues the new version...e.g. 8.1 or 8.2. or 8.0.1, etc.) requires that you login and get the update, but beyond that, logout.  Thus if you want to go off-grid in a mountain cabin somewhere, get your license at Starbucks (blagh! I understand they have 'free' wifi, but no frappucinos!  ...that stuff is bad for you) then get your license and go on your merry way up to the snow drenched peaks.  When you hear from the other mountaineers or your local yodeler that a new version of EAGLE is available...download, login, get your license, get your 'decaf double-pump vanilla non-fat latte macchiato' and head back up the slopes.

 

Point being, we can do the freeware better.  So we will.

 

Hope this is clear.  Let us know if you have questions!

 

Best regards,

 

Matt Berggren

Director - Autodesk

@technolomaniac

hackaday.io/matt

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  • COMPACT
    COMPACT over 8 years ago in reply to autodeskguest +4
    Not to worry, it's back to the Drawing board for me.
  • shabaz
    shabaz over 8 years ago +3
    Hi Matt, When will the EAGLE Maker version (or another solution for hobbiests) be v8-ready? I see the subscription for 'EAGLE Standard' and 'EAGLE Premium' are now available on the website, but not EAGLE…
  • albertovignati
    albertovignati over 8 years ago in reply to techsupport +3
    Il 21/02/2017 22:54, Ed Robledo ha scritto: The customers are the sole driving force to the improvements to EAGLE. Some of these 'wants' take time to be done right, that's the reason they were not done…
  • Joop14
    Joop14 over 8 years ago in reply to chris60601

    Chris Silva wrote on Thu, 23 February 2017 14:52

    Too bad Eagle Cad wasnt Open Source or maybe AutoDesk "could" make the

    7.7.0 version open to the community for support and development. A fork

    if you will. Find a happy medium for size and layers and be done with it.

    Folks or companies that want the full version would simply pay for 8x and

    above.

     

     

    The price isn't the problem. The subscription is the problem.

    They don't even let you buy a license for the old V7 or V6 anymore.

     

     

     

    --

    EAGLE support forums at http://www.eaglecentral.ca :: Where the EAGLE community meets.

     

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  • geralds
    geralds over 8 years ago in reply to rachaelp

    Hi Rachael,

     

    Are you a pensioner? A lady or man?

     

    Because i saw that you here every time and you everywhere posts here.

    (since nov2015 nearly 25000 posts) and you'll staying at Eagle 7.7.0 and waits

    that Autodesk do something likely for you....

     

    Best Regards,

    Gerald

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  • rachaelp
    rachaelp over 8 years ago in reply to geralds

    Gerald Schwarz wrote:

     

    Hi Rachael,

     

    Are you a pensioner? A lady or man?

     

    Because i saw that you here every time and you everywhere posts here.

    (since nov2015 nearly 25000 posts) and you'll staying at Eagle 7.7.0 and waits

    that Autodesk do something likely for you....

     

    Best Regards,

    Gerald

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    image

     

    Hi Gerald,

     

    I am a lady and no I am not a pensioner! image I work from my home office and have these forums up regularly to keep up with what's going on. I don't have nearly 25000 posts, I have nearly 25000 points on Element14. My actual number of posts is considerably less. I actually joined EAGLECentral before Element14 so my posts on there started in March 2015. To date I have 502 posts in the EAGLE forums (EAGLECentral and Element14 EAGLE forums both sync to the CADSoft NNTP servers so are effectively the same content) but more than that in total on Element 14 as I also post in other areas on there. Still, likely to be around 1000 posts total I suspect although I don't know how I can calculate an exact figure on there.

     

    Best Regards,

     

    Rachael

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  • sauerwald
    sauerwald over 8 years ago in reply to imm

    Ian

     

    I used to work in the broadcast video industry, and they have a model which works something like this.  You can buy editing tools which run on firmware, and then rent, short-term, different options for your machine.  In this way, I can have a business where I do some task on TV commercials, and when a client comes to me and wants me to do a job on his commercial which is in a different format from what I usually use, I can rent support for that format for a month, and I then have the full capability to support that client, for the term of that job.   After that, I can still view, save, send the work, but can't edit it without renting that particular module again.

     

    The issue that I have is that if I move to Eagle 8, I am locking my future designs into a software tool for which I have to trust Autocad that I will have continued access.   Autocad have broken promises recently, so that trust is not there, and that is what makes me hesitant to use anything beyond the Version 7 that I currently have a license for.

     

    Mark

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  • autodeskguest
    autodeskguest over 8 years ago in reply to imm

    On 2/23/2017 4:45 AM, Ian Mackenzie wrote:

    Hi Matt,

     

    "  a monthly subscription model that can be selectively enabled and disabled when you use the SW (so you only pay when you use it).  The total cost of ownership for those folks using it less than a few weeks a year will thus be substantially lower and still enables you to access the full software for less money. "

     

    Can you confirm how this works - is it as simple as an option from a pull down menu that activate & deactivates the subscription  - if so then this would be very good! As a casual / contract person I use the software infrequently however I need the full Premium version when I do. In the past I have had to squeeze designs into smaller than ideal spaces and use less than the ideal number of layers just because there is insufficient work to justify the cost of the full software. It would be ideal if I could use and pay for the full software for only a few months a year - hey I also know retirees that would love this model giving them full features but only paying when they have a project going.

     

    Ian

     

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    https://www.element14.com/community/message/216583

     

     

    Hello Ian,

     

    I hope you're doing well. Here's the process:

     

    1. Visit http://www.autodesk.com/products/eagle/subscribe choose the

    monthly option you want (Standard or Premium) and click subscribe online.

    2. In the next screen you select add to cart.

    3. Now you can pick however many months you wish to buy of EAGLE use.

    4. Continue with the rest of the process.

     

    Once the order has been processed (in many cases can be instantaneous,

    in the worst case a few hours). Your Autodesk account will have an

    entitlement for EAGLE.

     

    Open up the latest version of EAGLE 8 and sign into your Autodesk

    Account. Once the sign in is successful EAGLE will show that you have

    the version you paid for. If you run into issues contact support.

     

    Let me know if there's anything else I can do for you.

     

    Best Regards,

    Jorge Garcia

     

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    We have a new forum here <http://forums.autodesk.com>

     

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  • bvwj
    bvwj over 8 years ago

    If you (Autodesk) are interested in my position on the license changes please follow me on a thought experiment.

     

    Imagine I run a medium sized software development company producing graphical software used to develop GUI elements.  Now imagine that in this parallel universe I was able to purchase the text editor / IDE / compiler system Autodesk has used to develop their software for the last 10 years.

     

    It should be clear where I am going, but perhaps I can add some additional insight.

     

    Obviously I update the licensing terms to a subscription model and require you to check in with my license server every two weeks.  I also require you to upgrade on my schedule and disallow use of non-current versions.

     

    Are you pleased with this new arrangement?

     

    Do any of these statements make you happy about this new arrangement (or even less angry)?

    1. The license will cost less than a cup of coffee each day per seat (for now).
    2. There is a free version where you can see all your source code (but you still have to check in with our server).  You can even edit the first 1000 lines!
    3. You can use the free version to compile executables smaller than 256MB. (As long as you don't sell those executables.)
    4. There will be exciting new features.  (Remember I also told you we wouldn't move to subscription.)
    5. You can cancel your subscriptions and re-subscribe as often as you like to reduce the overall cost.
    6. Overall this is going to save you money.  (But we won't even offer you the presumably more expensive legacy license terms.)
    7. We are going to integrate these tools with our other graphical development software. (Which you don't use.)
    8. The license system is fully functional and has no bugs so stop complaining about the license system.
    9. Microsoft and Adobe have very successful subscription operations.
    10. There may be ways for awhile to use the any newly developed source code with your previously licensed tool set version. (We won't sell any more licenses of that old version.)

     

    I expect you are frightened by my mythical company's attempt to control a key aspect of your development process.  Take a breath.  Keep in mind that in this parallel universe there exist free development tools that may require some training.  There are also much more capable tools that cost more but whose licensing leaves you much more in control of your destiny.

     

    Would Autodesk sign up for my subscription offering?

     

    One more exercise:

     

    Now you are not Autodesk.  Imagine you are a small startup, a hobbyist, or a company who only develops software part time in support of other products.   Should I expect any of these other customers to embrace my new licensing model for my software development tools?

     

    Now we are back.  You are Autodesk and I was your customer.  I hope you can see why I will never give you this control over my business.

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  • autodeskguest
    autodeskguest over 8 years ago in reply to e14candies

    On 2/22/2017 7:46 PM, Hoyt wrote:

    posted :  Actually if I were to choose I would much prefer the old license

    model, but it is not going to happen

    Why would it not happen?  What would prevent it?  Autodesk is giving upon

    Eagle business already?? I'm not sure what the difficulty Autodesk has in

    reverting to the standard Eagle license.  They can still offer a

    subscription.

     

    Hello Hoyt,

     

    I hope you're having a good day. Autodesk is not giving up on EAGLE at

    all, that's why so much work . However Autodesk has almost 3 million

    subscribers of their software, so they have demonstrated that the model

    works and that there are a lot of customers who like the model.

     

    In order for Autodesk to back off of this subscription for

    everything(Every Autodesk product has moved to subscription for new

    licenses) model a substantial portion of those 3 million subscribers

    would have to drop out.

     

    So your reasoning while sound doesn't take into account that Autodesk is

    much larger than just EAGLE and it's extremely unlikely that they would

    make an exception just for us. It's not about a technical challenge,

    it's about Autodesk wanting a uniform model across all of it's products.

     

    That's why in this and in other forums, I've been informing users not to

    expect a change in the licensing model. This isn't Farnell, Autodesk is

    a software company and they have carefully calculated what they are

    getting into by making this switch.

     

    I hope this clarifies the situation.

     

    Let me know if there's anything else I can do for you.

     

    Best Regards,

    Jorge Garcia

     

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    We have a new forum here <http://forums.autodesk.com>

     

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  • geralds
    geralds over 8 years ago in reply to bvwj

    imageYep, image fully agree!

    GOOOOAAL!!! - which gate? ....  image

     

    Best Regards,

    Gerald

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  • autodeskguest
    autodeskguest over 8 years ago in reply to autodeskguest

    Am 23.02.2017 um 18:29 schrieb Jorge Garcia:

    So your reasoning while sound doesn't take into account that Autodesk is

    much larger than just EAGLE and it's extremely unlikely that they would

    make an exception just for us. It's not about a technical challenge,

    it's about Autodesk wanting a uniform model across all of it's products.

     

    So it was meant to go subscription from the very beginning. You were

    intentionally misleading us. Applause!

     

    Thank you very much!

     

     

     

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  • geralds
    geralds over 8 years ago in reply to autodeskguest

    Hi Jorge,

     

    at the subscription bindings, is there no discount between 1 to 3 years of bindings?

    EAGLE Subscription | Buy Autodesk EAGLE | Autodesk

    The monthly subscription is most expensive, then by one year we get discount, after that nothing?

     

    Best Regards,

    Gerald

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