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Eagle v8 licensing...

technolomaniac
technolomaniac over 8 years ago

Hi All --

 

Moving this to a separate thread so it doesn't get lost in the ether.  Here's my two cents on licensing and I'd love your feedback:

 

Firstly, the Autodesk licensing model is subscription and the EAGLE paid license will require that you install the SW and then generate an account to retrieve your license entitlement.  Once you have this, you are good to go and the SW will run as expected.  If you lose your network connection, the SW has a 14-day heartbeat that will enable you to work offline for 14 days.  I know that some folks would prefer to never have to connect, but this is required to support a monthly subscription model that can be selectively enabled and disabled when you use the SW (so you only pay when you use it).  The total cost of ownership for those folks using it less than a few weeks a year will thus be substantially lower and still enables you to access the full software for less money.  <Insert revolt here>  image

 

WRT to "what happens if autodesk decides to one day just shut off the license server?" ...ok, sure, that's possible, but so is a reality TV star becoming President of the..cough...nevermind, bad example.

 

Point is, that's a pretty remote possibility (think: time travel and alien invasions) and it wouldn't benefit us *at all* to upset the users we just spent real money hoping to bring into autodesk and earn their business.  As the guy with both development and P&L for the product, I can tell you that it's counterintuitive and wouldn't benefit us at all.  We know this.  We make SW used by governments, movie studios, game developers, MEs, Civil Engineers, machinists, etc. and you can bet that shutting down a license server is not to our benefit in any of these categories.  To demonstrate this behavior in one category, without a path for user SW and data, calls into question ALL of our tools' viability under this model.  Not helpful.

 

Now...a question was raised about "but what if I drop my subscription and I want my data".  Awesome, the data is yours and lives on your machine.  And for SW that stores data in the cloud (we have some of these) we always provide a path to your data.  If this again fails with one product, it puts all of the others up for discussion.  Again, not helpful.  (Read:  strategy = doomed).

 

"So what about needing an entitlement for the freeware to open the data I created in another version (a *paid* version) and reading it?  What if I want access and I dont want the 14-day time out?"

 

So here's the deal...We can do better here.  So we will.  Here's my commitment to the group here for freeware that ensures you always have a license that you can fall back on without need of internet connection *except when you first install it* (which after all, you would have had to get it in the first place):  in version 8.1 or 8.0.1 or whathaveyou (let's call it 'a future release'), if you install the SW and authenticate once, we'll remove the timer req.  So what I'm saying another way is, the freeware will require you to login the first time to get your license, but if you log out beyond that, you're good.  You got your entitlement and you can use it freely without connection.

 

Caveat:  to install an update, you will need to login.  The update server (which issues the new version...e.g. 8.1 or 8.2. or 8.0.1, etc.) requires that you login and get the update, but beyond that, logout.  Thus if you want to go off-grid in a mountain cabin somewhere, get your license at Starbucks (blagh! I understand they have 'free' wifi, but no frappucinos!  ...that stuff is bad for you) then get your license and go on your merry way up to the snow drenched peaks.  When you hear from the other mountaineers or your local yodeler that a new version of EAGLE is available...download, login, get your license, get your 'decaf double-pump vanilla non-fat latte macchiato' and head back up the slopes.

 

Point being, we can do the freeware better.  So we will.

 

Hope this is clear.  Let us know if you have questions!

 

Best regards,

 

Matt Berggren

Director - Autodesk

@technolomaniac

hackaday.io/matt

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  • COMPACT
    COMPACT over 8 years ago in reply to autodeskguest +4
    Not to worry, it's back to the Drawing board for me.
  • shabaz
    shabaz over 8 years ago +3
    Hi Matt, When will the EAGLE Maker version (or another solution for hobbiests) be v8-ready? I see the subscription for 'EAGLE Standard' and 'EAGLE Premium' are now available on the website, but not EAGLE…
  • albertovignati
    albertovignati over 8 years ago in reply to techsupport +3
    Il 21/02/2017 22:54, Ed Robledo ha scritto: The customers are the sole driving force to the improvements to EAGLE. Some of these 'wants' take time to be done right, that's the reason they were not done…
  • roycearnold
    roycearnold over 8 years ago in reply to brentbolton

    Brent,

     

    100% agree.

     

    I'm in a similar situation as you.  Existing design that have to be maintained for years.  In fact, I have a couple of old OrCAD designs (10+ years old) that I still have to maintain on an infrequent basis (maybe once every year or two).  I have an ancient copy of OrCAD sitting in a Windows 2000 VM just to manage those designs.  Operating right next it is the software development package that can no longer be activated because the company is no longer around (well they are but have changed hands and no longer offer any support).  I'm only still able to use the later because I got it into a VM while I could still get it activated.  Both packages are dead for me as far as new designs are concerned, but still have value to support the existing design.  If they were under the new AutoDesk subscription model, I would have to pay access either.

     

     

    Royce

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  • brentbolton
    brentbolton over 8 years ago in reply to roycearnold

    Thanks Royce,

     

    I'm sure we not the only ones. I used to work in technical marketing for a semiconductor company. Our departments job was to ask our customers what they wanted and then do our best to make sure the company gave it to them. That company is now 100 times or more the size of Autodesk. I hope someone from their executive suite is getting this feedback. If they don't learn the lesson that you always need to put the customer first, the company is doomed to failure or perpetual mediocrity.

     

    Brent

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  • Jan Cumps
    Jan Cumps over 8 years ago in reply to brentbolton

    Brent Bolton wrote:

     

    Thanks Royce,

     

    I'm sure we not the only ones. I used to work in technical marketing for a semiconductor company. Our departments job was to ask our customers what they wanted and then do our best to make sure the company gave it to them. That company is now 100 times or more the size of Autodesk. I hope someone from their executive suite is getting this feedback. If they don't learn the lesson that you always need to put the customer first, the company is doomed to failure or perpetual mediocrity.

     

    Brent

    You will have listened to the customers to give them the product they needed. I bet you didn't let them dictate your pricing policy.

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  • drkirkby
    drkirkby over 8 years ago in reply to brentbolton

    Brent Bolton wrote:


    Thank you for confirming what I and many others on this forum suspected. The new license model is all about what's best for Autodesk, not what's best for us users. That comes across as a giant F*** You to this formerly loyal EagleCAD user. KiCAD, Altium, here I come.

     

    Brent

    Ultimately any companies main aim is to make money, so attempting to maximise the revenue is to be expected. Companies will not make money unless they have a product or service to sell. Generally speaking, software costs money to develop. Even KiCad, despite being open-source, is not developed for free. There are a number of paid developers, with CERN putting in a lot of money, but one can donate too.

     

    https://giving.web.cern.ch/civicrm/contribute/transact?reset=1&id=6&gclid=CjwKEAiArbrFBRDL4Oiz97GP2nISJAAmJMFaR4C71dl9C_…

     

    (I'm a bit skeptical of donating my companies money. I think that might give me tax issues here in the UK. I guess it would have to be a personal donation).

     

    Based on that, to donate a days KiCad developer time, you need to donate 480 Swiss Francs CHF), which given the exchange rate is almost 1 USD = 1 CHF, it is $480 USD. Sure there will be some developers who are unpaid, but given all the comments about KiCad improving dramatically since CERN started putting money into it, one can probably conclude that the software improved because of the paid developers.

     

    Ultimately, if you don't like a license model, then walk away. There are plenty of options. Someone I know finds Sprint very good, and worth the $50 or so. He prefers it to KiCad.

     

    As for Rachel's comments about Autodesk having multiple servers, so even earthquakes will not cause problems checking out a license, I think there are more serious risks than earthquakes.

     

    * As I noted earlier, a Barings Bank that had been trading for over 300 years was bankrupted by one single employee. The same could happen to Autodesk.

    * Autodesk could just decide to discontinue the product.

    * All many of other reasons.

     

     

     

    Dave

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  • autodeskguest
    autodeskguest over 8 years ago in reply to drkirkby

    David Kirkby wrote on Thu, 23 February 2017 15:52

    • As I noted earlier, a Barings Bank that had been trading for over 300

    years was bankrupted by one single employee. The same could happen to

    Autodesk.

    • Autodesk could just decide to discontinue the product.

     

     

    One of the nice things about the EAGLE file format (since version 6 at

    least) is that it is easy to read.  I've already written a program that

    opens an EAGLE file, reads it and can parse the XML.  (I even posted a

    couple of my early experiments

    http://www.eaglecentral.ca/index.php/m/156145/6f8dbdb16391f7c28db5b12f3dbae997/?srch=python#msg_156145.)

    If anything happens to EAGLE or Autodesk, we'll still be able to access

    our EAGLE files, if only to convert them to some other package.

    --

    EAGLE support forums at http://www.eaglecentral.ca :: Where the EAGLE community meets.

     

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  • autodeskguest
    autodeskguest over 8 years ago in reply to autodeskguest

    On Thu, 23 Feb 2017 00:29:12 +0100, Markus Rudolf

    <markus.rudolf@mpic.de> wrote:

     

     

    Ah wait.... Democracy has issues in the US recently...

     

    Can't let this one slip by.  Since the US is a represenative republic

    and (thank God) NOT a democracy, your attempt at sarcasm only shows

    your ignorance of our system of government.  A democracy is 4 wolves

    and a sheep voting on what's for supper.

     

    John

     

    John DeArmond

    http://www.neon-john.com

    http://www.tnduction.com

    Tellico Plains, Occupied TN

    See website for email address

     

     

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  • brentbolton
    brentbolton over 8 years ago in reply to Jan Cumps

    Jan,

     

    No the customers didn't dictate our pricing. In the semiconductor industry price constantly declines while capability increases. And no company will shut down your chip after 3 years if you didn't keep paying up. And little of our business was due to product wearing out. It was almost all voluntary upgrades or new purchases because we constantly improved our value proposition.

     

    This will be my last post beating the dead Autodesk horse. I've got to go do some design work with v7.5 and think about who my next CAD vendor will be. Nice debating you all and best wishes to you whatever you decide.


    Brent

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  • mcb1
    mcb1 over 8 years ago in reply to rachaelp

    Are you a pensioner? A lady or man?

    I think you should change and keep him happy.

     

    What sort of question is that ...?

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  • geralds
    geralds over 8 years ago in reply to mcb1

    image https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_11#Lunar_surface_operations

     

    Gerald

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  • mcb1
    mcb1 over 8 years ago in reply to geralds

    Sorry I'm failing to see a connection between you asking rachaelp a very strange question, and a moon landing.

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