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Eagle v8 licensing...

technolomaniac
technolomaniac over 8 years ago

Hi All --

 

Moving this to a separate thread so it doesn't get lost in the ether.  Here's my two cents on licensing and I'd love your feedback:

 

Firstly, the Autodesk licensing model is subscription and the EAGLE paid license will require that you install the SW and then generate an account to retrieve your license entitlement.  Once you have this, you are good to go and the SW will run as expected.  If you lose your network connection, the SW has a 14-day heartbeat that will enable you to work offline for 14 days.  I know that some folks would prefer to never have to connect, but this is required to support a monthly subscription model that can be selectively enabled and disabled when you use the SW (so you only pay when you use it).  The total cost of ownership for those folks using it less than a few weeks a year will thus be substantially lower and still enables you to access the full software for less money.  <Insert revolt here>  image

 

WRT to "what happens if autodesk decides to one day just shut off the license server?" ...ok, sure, that's possible, but so is a reality TV star becoming President of the..cough...nevermind, bad example.

 

Point is, that's a pretty remote possibility (think: time travel and alien invasions) and it wouldn't benefit us *at all* to upset the users we just spent real money hoping to bring into autodesk and earn their business.  As the guy with both development and P&L for the product, I can tell you that it's counterintuitive and wouldn't benefit us at all.  We know this.  We make SW used by governments, movie studios, game developers, MEs, Civil Engineers, machinists, etc. and you can bet that shutting down a license server is not to our benefit in any of these categories.  To demonstrate this behavior in one category, without a path for user SW and data, calls into question ALL of our tools' viability under this model.  Not helpful.

 

Now...a question was raised about "but what if I drop my subscription and I want my data".  Awesome, the data is yours and lives on your machine.  And for SW that stores data in the cloud (we have some of these) we always provide a path to your data.  If this again fails with one product, it puts all of the others up for discussion.  Again, not helpful.  (Read:  strategy = doomed).

 

"So what about needing an entitlement for the freeware to open the data I created in another version (a *paid* version) and reading it?  What if I want access and I dont want the 14-day time out?"

 

So here's the deal...We can do better here.  So we will.  Here's my commitment to the group here for freeware that ensures you always have a license that you can fall back on without need of internet connection *except when you first install it* (which after all, you would have had to get it in the first place):  in version 8.1 or 8.0.1 or whathaveyou (let's call it 'a future release'), if you install the SW and authenticate once, we'll remove the timer req.  So what I'm saying another way is, the freeware will require you to login the first time to get your license, but if you log out beyond that, you're good.  You got your entitlement and you can use it freely without connection.

 

Caveat:  to install an update, you will need to login.  The update server (which issues the new version...e.g. 8.1 or 8.2. or 8.0.1, etc.) requires that you login and get the update, but beyond that, logout.  Thus if you want to go off-grid in a mountain cabin somewhere, get your license at Starbucks (blagh! I understand they have 'free' wifi, but no frappucinos!  ...that stuff is bad for you) then get your license and go on your merry way up to the snow drenched peaks.  When you hear from the other mountaineers or your local yodeler that a new version of EAGLE is available...download, login, get your license, get your 'decaf double-pump vanilla non-fat latte macchiato' and head back up the slopes.

 

Point being, we can do the freeware better.  So we will.

 

Hope this is clear.  Let us know if you have questions!

 

Best regards,

 

Matt Berggren

Director - Autodesk

@technolomaniac

hackaday.io/matt

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  • COMPACT
    COMPACT over 8 years ago in reply to autodeskguest +4
    Not to worry, it's back to the Drawing board for me.
  • shabaz
    shabaz over 8 years ago +3
    Hi Matt, When will the EAGLE Maker version (or another solution for hobbiests) be v8-ready? I see the subscription for 'EAGLE Standard' and 'EAGLE Premium' are now available on the website, but not EAGLE…
  • albertovignati
    albertovignati over 8 years ago in reply to techsupport +3
    Il 21/02/2017 22:54, Ed Robledo ha scritto: The customers are the sole driving force to the improvements to EAGLE. Some of these 'wants' take time to be done right, that's the reason they were not done…
  • tek
    tek over 8 years ago

    Having been burned years ago with the AutocadLT debacle, I guess it's time for me to swallow the KiCad pill as well.

     

    But at least I will still have Eagle 6.x to be able to work with my existing designs. The importance of this was just driven home here: Last week I spun up a Protel98 instance to get at an old design. Yep, it still works.

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  • autodeskguest
    autodeskguest over 8 years ago in reply to tek

    Tom Kopec <noreply-143408@element14.com> wrote:

    ...

    But at least I will still have Eagle 6.x to be able to work with my

    existing designs. The importance of this was just driven home here: Last

    week I spun up a Protel98 instance to get at an old design. Yep, it still

    works.

     

    Autodesk requires you to delete older versions when you upgrade!

     

    Another showstopper.

    --

    Uwe Bonnes                bon@elektron.ikp.physik.tu-darmstadt.de

     

    Institut fuer Kernphysik  Schlossgartenstrasse 9  64289 Darmstadt

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  • lynxofsausage
    lynxofsausage over 8 years ago in reply to autodeskguest

    Someone on HaD pointed out the terms of service that stated you also forfeit your previous license when you upgrade.  I don't understand the legal basis for that.  If I previously purchased a 7.x license in the past, I own that license - period.  Even if I buy a 1 year subscription to 8.0 -> whatever is out in 1 year, I don't forfeit what I've already paid for.  AutoDesk has no legal grounds for this.  If I lease a new car for full lease price, I don't have to give the dealership my old used car - even if I had purchased it from them in the past.

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  • rbtx99
    rbtx99 over 8 years ago in reply to lynxofsausage

    They can if it is a clear part of an upgrade license contract. However given that is is subscription based you can get the subscription independently and that way they can't force anything on your old license.

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  • autodeskguest
    autodeskguest over 8 years ago in reply to autodeskguest

    On 20.01.2017 13:13, Uwe Bonnes wrote:

    Tom Kopec <noreply-143408@element14.com> wrote:

    ...

    But at least I will still have Eagle 6.x to be able to work with my

    existing designs. The importance of this was just driven home here: Last

    week I spun up a Protel98 instance to get at an old design. Yep, it still

    works.

     

    Autodesk requires you to delete older versions when you upgrade!

     

    Another showstopper.

     

     

    What? Can this be right? I did wonder where I could get at a trial for

    V8, but it can wait. I will not feel good if I have to remove my 7.7.0

    to even try V8.

     

     

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  • edison71
    edison71 over 8 years ago

    Autodesk seems to think that Eagle is some kind of a premium CAD tool... Eeeeeh! Wrong, it's mainly for hobbyists and small scale production. There are several other competitors offering better performance and more functions at a lower licence/subscription cost, than you with your new subscription price rates.

     

    The main reason my company bought Eagle was that the price/performance ratio was just about good enough. With this subscription model, you have lost us and many others, and you are surely sawing of the branch Eagle is sitting on.

     

     

    To paraphrase South Park:

     

    -Oh no! Autodesk killed Eagle!

     

    -You b.......!!!

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  • e14candies
    e14candies over 8 years ago in reply to edison71

     

    Sadly, whatever the good efforts of the developers were, they have been

    100% wasted now.  The loss of goodwill, the anger and disdain far outweighs

    any new routing methods, clicking improvements or other tweaks. The

    features could have been brought out to excite everyone, but instead now

    Autodesk has a serious black eye and have embarrassed themselves for

    foolishness.  It even questions AD's other products and schemes now as

    well.  That does not mean all is lost, but there will be no trumpets or

    applause this round. 

    --

    EAGLE support forums at http://www.eaglecentral.ca :: Where the EAGLE community meets.

     

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  • autodeskguest
    autodeskguest over 8 years ago in reply to autodeskguest

    On 1/20/2017 7:48 AM, Morten Leikvoll wrote:

    On 20.01.2017 13:13, Uwe Bonnes wrote:

    Tom Kopec <noreply-143408@element14.com> wrote:

    ...

    But at least I will still have Eagle 6.x to be able to work with my

    existing designs. The importance of this was just driven home here: Last

    week I spun up a Protel98 instance to get at an old design. Yep, it

    still

    works.

     

    Autodesk requires you to delete older versions when you upgrade!

     

    Another showstopper.

     

     

    What? Can this be right? I did wonder where I could get at a trial for

    V8, but it can wait. I will not feel good if I have to remove my 7.7.0

    to even try V8.

     

     

    Hi Everyone,

     

    No one has to remove anything, Autodesk will not be hunting anyone down.

    Remember that these terms apply to V8 moving forward. You guys have

    perpetual V7 licenses and you can continue to use them forever as it has

    always been.

     

    Things only change with V8 going forward.

     

    hth,

    Jorge Garcia

     

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  • rbtx99
    rbtx99 over 8 years ago

    On the positive side I feel confident that Autodesk will see the EAGLE customer base plummet and hopefully they will resell EAGLE to someone that understands the EAGLE customer base. If my current version can keep me going in the meantime I will upgrade then.

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  • dharris2112
    dharris2112 over 8 years ago in reply to rbtx99

    I found this thread when I went to upgrade my v7.5 license to v7.7 and was redirected to the Autodesk site. I had seen the email last year about the Autodesk purchase but quite frankly forgot about it.

     

    Like others who have already posted, I have a Premium license. The ROI to continue under a subscription scheme is not there for me.

     

    I didn't even know about KiCAD until now. Reviewing their webpage makes me want to try it . 32 layers, trace tuning, hmm. There are downsides to free software mainly "fast" technical support and "fast" bug fixes (although this isn't always the case). However, the new pricing structure has me looking at KiCAD (free being icing on the cake).

     

    Maybe after this revolt, Autodesk/Eagle will go back to the old perpetual license structure; Or at least "de-cloud" the license so you don't need an active subscription to use the revision you already have on your workstation(s). At that point, I'll re-evaluate an upgrade to the latest.

     

    As of now, I'm evaluating KiCAD and we'll see how well it works for me.

     

    Regards,

     

    Dave H.

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