"Flip View" button

"Jeff Gough" <eagle@warrantyvoidifremoved.com> wrote in message

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When routing the back of a board, it would be really nice to be able to

flip the view to see the back of the board as it really is.

 

It would be extremely useful when debugging a board, as it's really

painful

to find a signal in eagle, then mentally flip it to find it on the

physical

board.

 

It would also be useful for checking text layout on the back of the board.

Mentally flipping text is a bit of a pain, and almost impossible when

you're trying to evaluate its aesthetic appeal. Yes, I do consider

aesthetics important in PCB design!

 

I know I can print out the board mirrored, or group-then-mirror, and

various other hacks, but if this button existed, I'd click it every minute

or so when routing a complex design.

+1

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Silviu Epure

"Dunarea de Jos" University of Galati, Romania

http://www.etc.ugal.ro/sepure

"Jeff Gough"wrote in message

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>> When routing the back of a board, it would be really nice to be able

>> to flip the view to see the back of the board as it really is.

>>

>> It would be extremely useful when debugging a board, as it's really

>> painful

>> to find a signal in eagle, then mentally flip it to find it on the

>> physical

>> board.

>>

>> It would also be useful for checking text layout on the back of the

>> board. Mentally flipping text is a bit of a pain, and almost

>> impossible when you're trying to evaluate its aesthetic appeal. Yes,

>> I do consider aesthetics important in PCB design!

>>

>> I know I can print out the board mirrored, or group-then-mirror, and

>> various other hacks, but if this button existed, I'd click it every

>> minute or so when routing a complex design.

The ULP mirror-board.ulp is useful for this.

If you create a Text Command menu button that runs this ULP you can flip the

board with a single click.

HTH

Warren

Warren Brayshaw schrieb:

>> "Jeff Gough"wrote in message

>> news:ikbhgg$urn$1@cheetah.cadsoft.de...

>>> When routing the back of a board, it would be really nice to be able

>>> to flip the view to see the back of the board as it really is.

>>> ...

Yes, this is a long standing wish (and has been suggested many times).

The ULP mirror-board.ulp is useful for this.

No - mirroring a design file is completely different to mirroring just

the view (which really shouldn't be hard to implement, BTW).

Tilmann

Warren Brayshaw <warrenbrayshaw@paradise.net.nz> wrote:

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"Jeff Gough"wrote in message

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>> When routing the back of a board, it would be really nice to be able

>> to flip the view to see the back of the board as it really is.

>>

>> It would be extremely useful when debugging a board, as it's really

>> painful

>> to find a signal in eagle, then mentally flip it to find it on the

>> physical

>> board.

>>

>> It would also be useful for checking text layout on the back of the

>> board. Mentally flipping text is a bit of a pain, and almost

>> impossible when you're trying to evaluate its aesthetic appeal. Yes,

>> I do consider aesthetics important in PCB design!

>>

>> I know I can print out the board mirrored, or group-then-mirror, and

>> various other hacks, but if this button existed, I'd click it every

>> minute or so when routing a complex design.

The ULP mirror-board.ulp is useful for this.

If you create a Text Command menu button that runs this ULP you

can flip the

board with a single click.

Does it leave all text and orientation unaltered?

Otherwise it's a "wuerg" around.

The Flipped/Rotated view has been asked many times.

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The ULP mirror-board.ulp is useful for this.

Thanks, but it's still a horrible hack. Parts move between layers, shift

positions, and I expect some things break as a result.

Only the view should change, not the position of parts within the

coordinate system! When in reverse view, moving the cursor to the right

should decrease the X coordinate.

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jeffreygough wrote on Sat, 26 February 2011 13:41

When routing the back of a board, it would be really nice to be able to

flip the view to see the back of the board as it really is.

 

It would be extremely useful when debugging a board, as it's really

painful to find a signal in eagle, then mentally flip it to find it on

the physical board.

 

It would also be useful for checking text layout on the back of the

board. Mentally flipping text is a bit of a pain, and almost impossible

when you're trying to evaluate its aesthetic appeal. Yes, I do consider

aesthetics important in PCB design!

I agree, especially when dealing with text.

Quote:

In fact, I'd prefer the board view to immediately mirror when I changed

routing layer to add a via!

Yucc.  That would be very confusing as the view pops between normal and

mirrored.

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On 26.02.2011 21:10, Warren Brayshaw wrote:

The ULP mirror-board.ulp is useful for this.

If you create a Text Command menu button that runs this ULP you can flip the

board with a single click.

 

HTH

Warren

That's what I sometimes hate. For even the most basic things there are

evil hacks using an ULP instead of having this implemented proper in the

EAGLE application itself.

I also would like to see a "view from back" function in EAGLE 6.

Markus

"Markus Rudolf" <user@domain.invalid> wrote in message

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On 26.02.2011 21:10, Warren Brayshaw wrote:

That's what I sometimes hate. For even the most basic things there are

evil hacks using an ULP instead of having this implemented proper in the

EAGLE application itself.

If the most usefull ulps would be included by default in a submenu of the

Eagle, I bet you wouldn't think this way, but "Eagle is a great software,

that let you adjust it's own subrutines".

--

Silviu Epure

"Dunarea de Jos" University of Galati, Romania

http://www.etc.ugal.ro/sepure

Jeff Gough wrote:

>When routing the back of a board, it would be really nice to be able to

>flip the view to see the back of the board as it really is.

>It would be extremely useful when debugging a board, as it's really painful

exactly, and there are more situations, e.g. wiring an ICT adapter.

Oliver

Silviu Epure schrieb:

>> On 26.02.2011 21:10, Warren Brayshaw wrote:

>> That's what I sometimes hate. For even the most basic things there are

>> evil hacks using an ULP instead of having this implemented proper in the

>> EAGLE application itself.

 

If the most usefull ulps would be included by default in a submenu of the

Eagle, I bet you wouldn't think this way, but "Eagle is a great software,

that let you adjust it's own subrutines".

Please don't compare apples with oranges.

Being able to add new functionality (very flexible) by ULPs is *really

great*, but trying to get a simple view from the bottom side by

mirroring the complete board is really evil.

Tilmann