"Flip View" button

Warren Brayshaw schrieb:

My preference is to have the indication just outside of the design area.

...

2) Change the background colour of the STATUS bar. The status bar is usually

alway visible and in the attension grabbing position below you sight line.

Words should alo be added to indicate that the BOTTOM view is actrive.  A

simple XY graphic could also be added. indicating X increases to the left.

The colour, words and icon should not be lost when  ULPs use the status

command.

 

I favour this last option.

I second that.

Currently, the status bar is almost always completely empty, or used to

display only rather short information. It could be segmented (as known

from many other programs), with the rightmost part showing the current

view status - maybe bold and/or colored when not "normal".

While thinking about it, this (another segment in the status bar) would

also be a fine place for the annotation status: "Annotation active" in

regular font resp. "NO ANNOTATION" in red, bold letters...

Tilmann

Andrew Sterian wrote on Tue, 01 March 2011 20:40

Second, here is my suggestion for what to do when you display the

mirror image of the board:

 

Nothing.

 

I know my board designs. I know when I am looking at the front and when

I am looking the back. A good tool stays out of the designer's way.

Hear, hear!

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Tilmann Reh wrote:

Warren Brayshaw schrieb:

 

>> My preference is to have the indication just outside of the design

>> area. ...

>> 2) Change the background colour of the STATUS bar. The status bar is

>> usually always visible and in the attention grabbing position below

>> you sight line. Words should also be added to indicate that the

>> BOTTOM view is active.  A simple XY graphic could also be added.

>> indicating X increases to the left. The colour, words and icon

>> should not be lost when  ULPs use the status command.

>>

>> I favour this last option.

Tilmann Reh wrote:

I second that.

 

Currently, the status bar is almost always completely empty, or used

to display only rather short information. It could be segmented (as

known from many other programs), with the rightmost part showing the

current view status - maybe bold and/or colored when not "normal".

 

While thinking about it, this (another segment in the status bar)

would also be a fine place for the annotation status: "Annotation

active" in regular font resp. "NO ANNOTATION" in red, bold letters...

 

Tilmann

Attached is a mock up of this idea. It's very close to 'do nothing' and

satisfies those who would like something.

No discussion has been had on the direction of the flip.

It has been implied that the flip is horizontal, like MIRROR, but a vertical

flip is just as valid.

If I'm handling a PCB the flip I perform depends on the aspect ratio so the

option to flip vertically also may be desirable. - thoughts?

Warren

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warrenbrayshaw wrote on Thu, 03 March 2011 15:16

No discussion has been had on the direction of the flip.

It has been implied that the flip is horizontal, like MIRROR, but a

vertical flip is just as valid.  If I'm handling a PCB the flip I perform

depends on the aspect ratio so the option to flip vertically also may be

desirable. - thoughts?

I suppose the full featured case would be to either mirror or not and

rotate any 90 degree increments.

However, if all that fanciness holds things up and makes it more difficult

to use, I'd rather just get a simple toggle mirror view command.

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On 3/1/2011 12:20 AM, Klaus Schmidinger wrote:

On 02/28/11 22:29, Gary Gofstein wrote:

>> ...

>> the only thing I would add is that it should be very clear that you are

>> in flipped view, not requiring checking coordinates direction, pushing

>> buttons, issuing commands. this should go without saying, but just to be

>> sure, I'm saying it!

 

Do you have any particular idea on how this could be made "very clear"?

I guess any small icon indicating this will be overlooked, and a thick

"yellow/black" border around the draw window indicating "Caution - you're

in flip mode!" will be overkill...

 

Klaus Schmidinger

All I mean is that it should be readable at any time without executing a

command. A word (like top/bottom) or indicator in the status bar, or

near the grid/coordinate display is fine. Just so that I don't have to

do something to see it. It's not a warning I'm looking for, it's just an

indicator, I hope I can overlook it if I'm not looking at it.

Many mech cad software has such a view state indicator. Text in the

status bar is the only way I've seen it implemented.

"Warren Brayshaw" <warrenbrayshaw@paradise.net.nz> wrote in message

news:ikbml3$kuu$1@cheetah.cadsoft.de...

>> "Jeff Gough"wrote in message

The ULP mirror-board.ulp is useful for this.

If you create a Text Command menu button that runs this ULP you can flip

the

board with a single click.

and what's happening with locked components?

+1 For quick board flip in view.  Board flip should also draw layers so that bottom obscures top layers, this would make routing traces and placing text on bottom just as easy as on top.

ULP is not a good solution.  I just script ran it twice and diff'ed the before and after, and there some missing vertex's in the board that was flipped twice.  

As mentioned before, this doesn't work when there are locked components (although the script could probably updated to fix this).

The script I used:

https://github.com/sparkfun/SparkFun_Eagle_Settings/blob/master/ulp/mirror-board.ulp

The before and after diff showing some missing vertex lines:

@@ -3502,14 +3502,12 @@

</polygon>

<polygon width="0.254" layer="16" thermals="no">

<vertex x="71.247" y="27.559"/>

-<vertex x="82.677" y="27.559"/>

<vertex x="82.931" y="27.559"/>

<vertex x="82.931" y="15.367"/>

<vertex x="71.247" y="15.367"/>

</polygon>

<polygon width="0.254" layer="16" thermals="no">

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-<vertex x="82.55" y="51.435"/>

<vertex x="82.804" y="51.435"/>

<vertex x="82.804" y="39.243"/>

<vertex x="71.12" y="39.243"/>

@@ -3945,7 +3943,6 @@

<wire x1="30.039" y1="18.626" x2="30.039" y2="18.126" width="0.3048" layer="16"/>

<polygon width="0.254" layer="16" thermals="no">

<vertex x="29.972" y="34.163"/>

-<vertex x="29.972" y="32.893"/>

<vertex x="29.972" y="32.766"/>

<vertex x="31.369" y="32.766"/>

<vertex x="31.369" y="34.163"/>

hello,

That would be a great feature for 2 particular task:

- adjust text on bottom (silk layer)

- debugging a board. (I know, I know, I can print, but on a printed paper highlight and search feature is very very limited...)

Just one thing: a good visible indication must warn us if this mirrored mode is activated.

Guillaume.