Beer for eagle users

Hi Dave M,

well you seem to have exactly what I'm looking for. But that seems like a

really big ulp. I have no idea what language a ulp is made with, but I'd

just like to have something simple. I mean, because of its size, it is much

harder and takes more time to debug, so I guess before it's safe to use

(has NO errors in part numbers, line changes, syntax errors, etc) it will

take a lot of beta testing.

I don't need to do this right at the moment, but in the next weeks, I

guess.

Thanks for the help nonetheless,

Owen

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HI Redcutlass,

I have been learning the ULP language very intensely over the past few

weeks, I am making great progress with my "Advanced" BOM/MRP system.

As far as your question goes, you will need to have a ulp to run through

all the parts in your schematic and then find those that match the DEVICE +

VALUE, i.e R0805:10K, then add ( if not already there) an attribute for say

PARTNO, and copy the "partno" in to all those occurrences.

My system does this, as well as a whole heap of other things.

It may be a few more weeks before I can release something. So far I am at

abput 1000 line of code.

I REALLY do like the ULP Language( a lot !!!), lots of the HARD WORK has

already been implemented in its built in functions, especially for access

to parts and string functions.

thanks

Dave M

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Well, this time I'm actually going to provide answers instead of

questions!

To my surprise addign attributes was much simpler than I thought. Funny

enough, I discovered this when I wasn't even searching for it. I don't know

what I was doing but I know I was in the schematic editor and did a

right-click on a symbol, and saw "Attribute" in the pop-up menu. I thought,

this is interesting, what if...

And yes, I clicked on it and up comes the attribute window where you CAN

actually input your info. Very simple, and effective, I can finally do what

I want, which was add (company)part numbers, or anything else, to my

discretion.

Another member said that yes it's possible, but it was "complicated" with

numerous clicks and right clicks. I don't think so, I find it's quite easy.

If only I'd discovered this before I posted, I would have saved LOTs of my

time.

does anyone know how to add a common value to the attribute of many

different parts? Say I have a bunch of 0603 2k2 resistors that I want to be

called, say 60-0001. Is there a command or ulp that can stuff all my 10

resistors with this value?

Thanks again, looks like I left you guys with another question!

cheers,

OW

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Wow, I doon't know where to start!

So many things have been said, some of which I agree with and some that I

don't, but everything helps me open my mind (except, obviously, raw

negative comments). I believe Morten Leikvoll set me on the right track, so

I'll be playing around with that. As for what makes a good engineer, well,

what's been said I find true, but it is not because someone does not like

the command line that it makes him a bad engineer. Like I said I use the

command line and the mouse, I find both have excellent advantages, and I am

not an engineer, first and foremost. I always take the time, I repeat, to

search the help file and the forum before I ask questions, believe it or

not I could not find anything helping me in the previous threads about

attributes. It is quite possible that I need to be told more specifically,

with an example, what to do in many cases.

I guess it all depends on our experience with Eagle, and I have only been

using it for two years, at a duty cycle of about 50%.

Oh! I'd love to buy anyone a beer, if they're up in the Ottawa region

(Canada) because obviously people have asked for their beer!

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"Owen" <old62buick@yahoo.com> wrote in message

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I guess I know now that an attribute field that's added in the part editor

cannot be filled in by the user at schematic placement, which sucks for

anything like resistors, capacitors and inductors.

Im not sure if you misunderstood that.. Attributes can be DEFINED and EDITED

anywhere (of course they can only be given a common value at device editor).

The cleanest way is to DEFINE them at part editor and change value (if you

want non default) at sch level.

On 07/22/2011 08:09 AM, davem wrote:

Olin wrote on Fri, 22 July 2011 21:33

 

>> The command line (this is not just about Eagle) is far more productive

>> than a clickety-click interface once you take the trouble to learn it.

 

NO ITS NOT!!!!!!!

 

Thats just YOUR OPNION! how can anyone say that half a dozen keystrokes is

MORE Productive than just ONE BLOODY MOUSE CLICK!

Olin may at times be brash and unrefined in his politics (i.e. pissing

people off), but he does know eagle, and he knows it very well...

okay... he's /often/ brash.  I generally read his posts for the tips and

techniques that are often contained therein.  I disregard whatever

harshness may be present because I know everyone else is doing so as

well.  Well, almost everyone.

I may find myself in rare company here, but I have to agree with Olin

with one caveat.  Instead of just "the command line" being more

productive, I would posit that the "keyboard" interface is more

productive than the mouse alone.  With one hand on the keyboard, and one

on the mouse, a draw net command can be started in two keystrokes

(Alt-D, N) which is significantly faster than locating the draw icon,

moving the mouse to it, clicking, then moving the mouse back.  It's also

significantly faster than typing "DRAW (enter)" in the command line -

especially with one hand.  Starting a route on a board is similarly

simple - Alt-E, R.  Ratsnets is F3.

Quite frankly, I like the way Cadsoft has designed the user interface.

It has features providing both clickers and typers methods of getting

work done efficiently.

One last thought... We're all here to share ideas - that's the bottom

line.  I'm not here to make others feel good about themselves, nor am I

here to cast stones or question the abilities of others.  While I'm

comfortable identifying myself as an engineer, I don't need to post a

full biography in order to convince others of that.

I also know that no matter how good I am at engineering, there are

certainly others in the world who are better than I, and I will not

hesitate to seek their advice.  And gentlemen, that's how I become a

/better/ engineer.

So... Owen,  Where do I get my beer?  I'm looking forward to a stout

German brew.

Enjoy life,

    - Chuck

Olin wrote on Fri, 22 July 2011 08:32

davem wrote on Fri, 22 July 2011 08:08

Quote:

The command line (this is not just about Eagle) is far more

productive than a clickety-click interface once you take the trouble

to learn it.

 

NO ITS NOT!!!!!!!

 

You have to learn it before you can make such a proclamation.

OK, can we end this squabble please?

Olin is up front and some people don't like that.  But he has loads of

experience and one would do well to consider his technical input.  His

point about needing to know your tools is a good one even if his way of

saying it was offensive to anyone.

Another point to consider is that most people who respond here are doing it

on their own time for free.  Any user who consistently shows an

unwillingness to learn or look for answers themselves will get fewer and

fewer responses from the old timers around here.

So the general (unspoken) rule is that you try to find the answer yourself.

Then come here and ask a specific question.

CadSoft will respond to everyone but they don't have the bandwidth the

community has.  So if you want a fast answer from the community you'd do

well to consider this input.

The PDF manual has already been mentioned.  Searching through it can be a

useful exercise.  You can also search through all the past forum posts at

www.eaglecentral.ca/forums.  That search isn't limited to a particular

forum (unless you want it to be) so even if a post is in the wrong forum

the search will find it.  And it will find common terms for things that

EAGLE has funny names for (e.g. annular ring vs restring).

Of course newbies may not know where to even start which is fine.  But the

old-timers around here will expect that they start to learn and ask better

and better questions.

That's just my observation over the last decade.  I'm not speaking

officially for anyone.

Cheers,

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Specializing in CadSoft EAGLE

• Online Sales to North America

• Electronic Design Services

• EAGLE Enterprise Toolkit

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davem wrote on Fri, 22 July 2011 08:08

Quote:

The command line (this is not just about Eagle) is far more

productive than a clickety-click interface once you take the trouble to

learn it.

 

NO ITS NOT!!!!!!!

You have to learn it before you can make such a proclamation.

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Quote:

Good engineers learn to use the tools at their disposal.

guess I am a BAD Engineer then!, Now , where's that sliderule of mine..

its ok I found it, It was next to my Abacus.

Olin wrote on Fri, 22 July 2011 21:33

The command line (this is not just about Eagle) is far more productive

than a clickety-click interface once you take the trouble to learn it.

NO ITS NOT!!!!!!!

Thats just YOUR OPNION! how can anyone say that half a dozen keystrokes is

MORE Productive than just ONE BLOODY MOUSE CLICK!

Based on your theory the next IPHONE will have command line interface

instead of its touch buttons!

Boy Olin, Will you just give UP!

Dave M

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Redcutlass wrote on Thu, 21 July 2011 19:28

... I do not have time to go through pages and pages of documentation

...

!!!

You don't have time not to.

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