Eagle upgrade costs

Is there going to be a credit for those of us who have an older license when moving to the new subscription model?

Paul Ryan wrote on Sat, 11 February 2017 15:01

Is there going to be a credit for those of us who have an older license

when moving to the new subscription model?

 

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What license do you currently have? I believe there is currently a 50%

discount on 1 year subscriptions for existing v7 license holders.

Best Regards,

Rachael

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Hello,

Even with a 50% of reduction on 1 year subscription, it will be 'no thank for me'.

Sorry guys, but you when to far for me, an also for my boss...

I have my own private pro license (as hobbyist) and at work, I use the license of my company. I will not migrate to the V8 version and I think that my boss will probably to the same.

1.If you want to buy a car you don't go to a rent office.

I want to buy a license, no to rent it, and that is not negotiable. So if Eagle licenses are not for sale anymore, but only for renting, then I guess that I will simply don't go to the Eagle sales offices ! (simple!)

2. Until now I didn't use the autorouter, and so I never bought it. Now I will not have the choice any more, and so the price is absolutely not the same !

I dislike this way of forcing to buy something you don't want to, so I avoid those situations. Then I guess that, starting from now, I will avoid Eagle....

3.To force people to create an account and to connect to Autodesk server every 14 days... Woww That a real improvement ! That was the most critical problem of Eagle v7 !!!! lol

a- No one can force me to create a account if I don"t want to.

b- I don't want to give any single personal single data on me, on a account I don't want to create, account on a web site of a company I will not trust any more !

c- I use Eagle on a PC that is not and will not be connected on internet (for security issues) so... I'm screwed. At least I would understand an activation by internet, once during installation, but every 14 days: this a joke ?

4. Just a little thing, I'm concern about protecting software since I work in a company that provide software ! We use different ways of protecting our products (we develop our own USB protecting dongle, or we can propose the use of license server etc... )

But  we :

a- propose to our customer different solutions of protection (dongle, licensee server etc ..) and he could choose the one; we don't impose just one.

b- we never (and probably ever) don't use the rent only model. A license is for SALE and a the maintenance/support contract is a RENT. Both are separate things.

     WE NEVER IMPOSE THE MAINTENANCE CONTRACT to a customer who buy a license !

     why ?

     By using the renting only model you just force your customers to have a maintenance contract, and worse, the licensee will perish at the end of the period !

I may be wrong but I think you just lose the trust between you and some of your customers (2 at least: me and my boss).

Believe me you don't have to impose a subscription. As I said, my company SELL licenses that will never expire. And we also propose a maintenance contract (with support, updates etc...) but only for customer who want it !

And guess what ?

In more than 95% of purchased licenses, customers also take out a maintenance contract !

Why ?

A - We listen to their needs, and don't sell what they don't need !

B - They have the feeling of not been attached, of having the choice.

C - TRUST

D - the quality, the performance etc...

...

Z - Certainly NOT because that we impose it !

So bye bye Eagle.

I think that I will continue for a while with the Eagle V7, then I will try other software.... But I will not continue to invest my time with Eagle....

Note that I did not said that I will change my decision if you change your policy, because I think I wouldn't. 

Simple because, I don't trust  Eagle anymore, so... I would certainly prefer to use my time to learn another software...

Sorry,

Guillaume Barrey

rk wrote on Sat, 25 February 2017 14:20

Am 25.02.2017 um 14:46 schrieb Rachael:

perhaps don't like it but equally don't want to throw away years

of

experience and investment in their setup, libraries etc. Please

have

 

So if I don't subscribe I'm doomed to throw away my experience,

libraries, setup and so on? Why?

You know full well that's not what I was saying. You're just annoyed

because I called you out for calling people stupid.

But to answer your question, no you are not doomed to throw anything away

because you don't subscribe. You can still use the existing version of

EAGLE you have indefinitely. Some people will subscribe, some will stick

with what they have, I'm personally sticking with v7 and waiting until I

see how things progress, other people are however actively migrating to

other packages. Each to their own, everybody has to do what is right for

them and calling people stupid for their choice isn't really on.

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Am 25.02.2017 um 14:46 schrieb Rachael:

perhaps don't like it but equally don't want to throw away years of

experience and investment in their setup, libraries etc. Please have

So if I don't subscribe I'm doomed to throw away my experience,

libraries, setup and so on? Why?

Am 25.02.2017 um 14:46 schrieb Rachael:

perhaps don't like it but equally don't want to throw away years of

experience and investment in their setup, libraries etc. Please have

So if I don't subscribe I'm doomed to throw away my experience,

libraries, setup and so on? Why?

rk wrote on Sat, 25 February 2017 13:36

Am 25.02.2017 um 12:29 schrieb Guillaume barrey:

And directors should have though about that BEFORE destroying the

trust of their customer.... it would be easier for Casdsoft....

 

I'm quite confident that this was well thought of. They were fully

aware

that they would loose the majority of the existing customer base. This

is where the price-explosion comes into play: You need only a few

people

stupid enough to support this nonsense and everything is fine again.

And

it gets even better with every new user.

 

Expect it to stay as it is.

It's comments like this that are contributing to further fracturing the

community and it's really not productive.

You can choose to deal with the changes in EAGLE licensing how you see fit

for your situation, but you are not in any position to brand other people

stupid because they don't necessarily agree with your point of view. Many

perhaps don't like it but equally don't want to throw away years of

experience and investment in their setup, libraries etc. Please have

respect for the opinions of others.

Best Regards,

Rachael

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rk wrote on Sat, 25 February 2017 13:36

Am 25.02.2017 um 12:29 schrieb Guillaume barrey:

And directors should have though about that BEFORE destroying the

trust of their customer.... it would be easier for Casdsoft....

 

I'm quite confident that this was well thought of. They were fully

aware

that they would loose the majority of the existing customer base. This

is where the price-explosion comes into play: You need only a few

people

stupid enough to support this nonsense and everything is fine again.

And

it gets even better with every new user.

 

Expect it to stay as it is.

It's comments like this that are contributing to further fracturing the

community and it's really not productive.

You can choose to deal with the changes in EAGLE licensing how you see fit

for your situation, but you are not in any position to brand other people

stupid because they don't necessarily agree with your point of view. Many

perhaps don't like it but equally don't want to throw away years of

experience and investment in their setup, libraries etc. Please have

respect for the opinions of others.

Best Regards,

Rachael

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Am 25.02.2017 um 12:29 schrieb Guillaume barrey:

And directors should have though about that BEFORE destroying the trust of their customer.... it would be easier for Casdsoft....

I'm quite confident that this was well thought of. They were fully aware

that they would loose the majority of the existing customer base. This

is where the price-explosion comes into play: You need only a few people

stupid enough to support this nonsense and everything is fine again. And

it gets even better with every new user.

Expect it to stay as it is.

Hello Rachel,

Thank you for your response and I completely understand your point of view. I right, maybe future will bring a really nice great Eagle version, with permanent licensing scheme, possibility to choose to buy or not the auto-router feature etc......

And you right too, I may I will buy it.

But, as I said, the trust is some thing you build slowly in a long term relationship, that can be destroyed as fast as a finger snapping.

And worse, it's far longer to rebuild a trust that had been destroyed than to build it from scratch with someone new.

The second problem is that in that particular case, there is an impression of been hostage.  Let me explain it (with my bad English, sorry guys ...).

Working with this kind of software is a huge time and work investment. Like other software you have to learn it. But you also build your libraries. And that is a huge precious thing.

So when you have to choose which software you will use you have to be sure that this investment  will not be crushed or locked by a bunch of financial directors in a huge company that don't care about your time and work.

In a word: I can not say that I will never buy a new eagle version again... it's just that it would not be that easy, and a simple fantastic new version would not be enough.

And directors should have though about that BEFORE destroying the trust of their customer.... it would be easier for Casdsoft....

Guillaume

Guillaume barrey wrote:

 

So in my humble opinion, it's urgent to do nothing drastic.

I agree with this totally. v7 works well and can still be a good tool for many years to come.

Guillaume barrey wrote:

 

Anyway, I do not have any trust in cadsoft/Autodesk now, and even they go back to the previous licensing scheme, I think I will not pay any Euro or whatever to them.

Personally I wouldn't write them off totally. I don't think what has happened has been a decision made by those Autodesk employees posting on here, I suspect they posted what they posted in good faith and the decision was made higher up the food chain at corporate level by those that have no realisation of the negative impact their decisions make to customers and they were overruled. This is just my personal opinion of what happened and again, to be clear I have no insider knowledge of Autodesk as I am not an employee (before I get accused of being one yet again!).

If Autodesk corporate have a change in policy and start to allow other licensing types again then things might change for the better and if a really excellent newer version of EAGLE came out that you could get a perpetual license for then you might find yourself in a situation where upgrading to it was the smart business decision and then you too would have to do a complete u-turn and eat a slice of humble pie

Best Regards,

Rachael

Hello,

I don't know if Autodesk plan to kill Eagle or do it 'accidentally' but to tell the truth, I don't really care... only the result matters.

Can you recommend the adequate replacement of EAGLE?

I asked myself the same question and I don't really have a straight forward answer to that question... I just can only share my reflexion about that:

Today Eagle 7.7 is enough for my usage, even is some improvement are missing. They are missing for so long now... I quite used to that missing things.

Today Eagle 7.7 still work on my Linux and my W7 windows:

- At work I'm still using W7 but one day the TI department will proceed to a change to W10. and Eagle 7.7 seems to work fine on W10.

- For my personal license, I use a W7 on a very old PC that will not support any OS upgrade, but I My principal computer run under Linux (Opensuse) and I keep this one, up to date.

In both case Eagle 7.7 still run but one day it will become problematic, this day is quite far from now.

Meanwhile I have a look on other alternatives such as Kicad (I discover that it was created by a guy who work in the same city as me....that funny !)

I just have a look, and I have the impression that on some points Eagle is far better, but on the other hand it's the opposite.

I still have some interrogation about Kicad, mainly about library management (is it possible to connect several pads of package to a single symbol pin ?, is it possible ti add descriptions etc...)

I also see that the import of Packages from Eagle library to Kicad ones is already present, but for the symbols and device, import is not yet working... but they are working on it...

Last point, I work in very small electronic department (the design office consist on 1 person: me) and I have to deal with a lot of other task that routing a board (firmware to develop, mechanical parts to design, software to setup our products, benchmark to test our product etc...)

So I can not afford to spend too much time in learning a new software.

So in my humble opinion, it's urgent to do nothing drastic.

I will keep in mind that one day I will have troubles with Eagle, and so I have to look around for an other software.

Since it's free, I will start to try Kicad on small personal projects, and see what it's capable of, and begin to learn how to use it.

If it's not that bad, maybe one day, I will be able to import library from Eagle to Kicad (even if I know that this will not be that simple...) an proceed to the big Jump !

And if Kicad it's not good enough, then I guess I would have to see something else.

Meanwhile I will continue to use Eagle on bigger projects.

Anyway, I do not have any trust in cadsoft/Autodesk now, and even they go back to the previous licensing scheme, I think I will not pay any Euro or whatever to them.

If you have better ideas or suggestion, I would be glad if you let us know !

Guillaume.

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Can you recommend the adequate replacement of EAGLE?

Use an eagle Versiin below 8 ...

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On 03/23/2017 02:45 PM, warrenbrayshaw wrote:

On 24/03/2017 6:40 a.m., Don Haselwood wrote:

John,

 

I'm trying to get my eagle version 4.13 running on Ubuntu 16.04 LTS on

a 64b machine, but the window area with the schematic and board layout

is blank, no matter what I do.  I did get the transparency issue

resolved, but the inability to make anything appear in the work area

window remains.  It appears to be a Ubuntu 16 issue as I do have an

older machine running Ubuntu 14.04 and it is OK..  I wondered if you

had that problem, and if so, what you did to fix it.   (I've tried all

sorts of things I've found online having to do with the 32bit libs,

but no success.)

 

As far as upgrade goes--my paid version 4.13 is quite satisfactory for

what I do (retired, hobbyist).  It produces what I want for the boards

and the notion of no additional cost for eagle upgrades just doesn't

offer anything.  (In my experience, software upgrades offer the hope

of something better, but instead replace of old, known problems with

new problems yet to be discovered.)  Kicad is attractive, but I can

hit the right keys with my eagle 4.1 automatically without

looking/thinking so continuing with eagle 4.1 (and not a later

version!) is quite desirable.

 

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Hi Don

 

Start by downloading the last point version of Eagle V4 (4.16r2) as your

licence qualifies you for it.

 

ftp://ftp.cadsoft.de/eagle/program/4.16r2/

 

Then, I suspect there are some missing linux drivers that you will need

to locate. This has been a problem from time to time.

 

Others may be able to give you an exact answer.

 

Failing that search the forum. I suspect E14 is not the place to do

that. Search eagle central but let google do the heavy lifting when you

have multpile works you wish to search for. e.g

 

site:eaglecentral.ca  "linux drivers" "missing"

 

HTH

Warren

 

I am running on a recent version of linux mint with xfce. Also on 4.x. I

found the windows were transparent. I had to change the desktop setting

(window mangager) to not use compositing. This fixed the transparent

windows.

With compositing enabled.

Paul R. via newsgroup

On 24/03/2017 6:40 a.m., Don Haselwood wrote:

John,

 

I'm trying to get my eagle version 4.13 running on Ubuntu 16.04 LTS on a 64b machine, but the window area with the schematic and board layout is blank, no matter what I do.  I did get the transparency issue resolved, but the inability to make anything appear in the work area window remains.  It appears to be a Ubuntu 16 issue as I do have an older machine running Ubuntu 14.04 and it is OK..  I wondered if you had that problem, and if so, what you did to fix it.   (I've tried all sorts of things I've found online having to do with the 32bit libs, but no success.)

 

As far as upgrade goes--my paid version 4.13 is quite satisfactory for what I do (retired, hobbyist).  It produces what I want for the boards and the notion of no additional cost for eagle upgrades just doesn't offer anything.  (In my experience, software upgrades offer the hope of something better, but instead replace of old, known problems with new problems yet to be discovered.)  Kicad is attractive, but I can hit the right keys with my eagle 4.1 automatically without looking/thinking so continuing with eagle 4.1 (and not a later version!) is quite desirable.

 

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Hi Don

Start by downloading the last point version of Eagle V4 (4.16r2) as your

licence qualifies you for it.

ftp://ftp.cadsoft.de/eagle/program/4.16r2/

Then, I suspect there are some missing linux drivers that you will need

to locate. This has been a problem from time to time.

Others may be able to give you an exact answer.

Failing that search the forum. I suspect E14 is not the place to do

that. Search eagle central but let google do the heavy lifting when you

have multpile works you wish to search for. e.g

site:eaglecentral.ca  "linux drivers" "missing"

HTH

Warren

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On 24/03/2017 6:40 a.m., Don Haselwood wrote:

John,

 

I'm trying to get my eagle version 4.13 running on Ubuntu 16.04 LTS on a 64b machine, but the window area with the schematic and board layout is blank, no matter what I do.  I did get the transparency issue resolved, but the inability to make anything appear in the work area window remains.  It appears to be a Ubuntu 16 issue as I do have an older machine running Ubuntu 14.04 and it is OK..  I wondered if you had that problem, and if so, what you did to fix it.   (I've tried all sorts of things I've found online having to do with the 32bit libs, but no success.)

 

As far as upgrade goes--my paid version 4.13 is quite satisfactory for what I do (retired, hobbyist).  It produces what I want for the boards and the notion of no additional cost for eagle upgrades just doesn't offer anything.  (In my experience, software upgrades offer the hope of something better, but instead replace of old, known problems with new problems yet to be discovered.)  Kicad is attractive, but I can hit the right keys with my eagle 4.1 automatically without looking/thinking so continuing with eagle 4.1 (and not a later version!) is quite desirable.

 

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Hi Don

Start by downloading the last point version of Eagle V4 (4.16r2) as your

licence qualifies you for it.

ftp://ftp.cadsoft.de/eagle/program/4.16r2/

Then, I suspect there are some missing linux drivers that you will need

to locate. This has been a problem from time to time.

Others may be able to give you an exact answer.

Failing that search the forum. I suspect E14 is not the place to do

that. Search eagle central but let google do the heavy lifting when you

have multpile works you wish to search for. e.g

site:eaglecentral.ca  "linux drivers" "missing"

HTH

Warren

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... use NNTP://news.cadsoft.de and a functional news reader like

Thunderbird!

... or http://www.eaglecentral.ca browser access to CadSoft EAGLE

support forums.

John,

I'm trying to get my eagle version 4.13 running on Ubuntu 16.04 LTS on a 64b machine, but the window area with the schematic and board layout is blank, no matter what I do.  I did get the transparency issue resolved, but the inability to make anything appear in the work area window remains.  It appears to be a Ubuntu 16 issue as I do have an older machine running Ubuntu 14.04 and it is OK..  I wondered if you had that problem, and if so, what you did to fix it.   (I've tried all sorts of things I've found online having to do with the 32bit libs, but no success.)

As far as upgrade goes--my paid version 4.13 is quite satisfactory for what I do (retired, hobbyist).  It produces what I want for the boards and the notion of no additional cost for eagle upgrades just doesn't offer anything.  (In my experience, software upgrades offer the hope of something better, but instead replace of old, known problems with new problems yet to be discovered.)  Kicad is attractive, but I can hit the right keys with my eagle 4.1 automatically without looking/thinking so continuing with eagle 4.1 (and not a later version!) is quite desirable.

On Fri, 24 Feb 2017 16:20:54 +0000 (UTC), Uwe Bonnes

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levafreidin <noreply-59652@element14.com> wrote:

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Can you recommend the adequate replacement of EAGLE?

 

Use an eagle Versiin below 8 ...

Be sure to use the Linux version.  The commercial OS vendors will ease

your version right out from under you in a couple of years.

The Linux philosophy is not to break things.  I use Ubuntu Linux and

have Eagle 4, 5, 6 and 7 installed on Rev 16.04 LTS.

Really though, you're better off using a package under active

development that will keep up with OS changes.  My new choice is

KiCAD.

John

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