Eagle upgrade costs

Is there going to be a credit for those of us who have an older license when moving to the new subscription model?

Paul Ryan wrote on Sat, 11 February 2017 15:01

Is there going to be a credit for those of us who have an older license

when moving to the new subscription model?

 

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What license do you currently have? I believe there is currently a 50%

discount on 1 year subscriptions for existing v7 license holders.

Best Regards,

Rachael

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Hello,

I don't know if Autodesk plan to kill Eagle or do it 'accidentally' but to tell the truth, I don't really care... only the result matters.

Can you recommend the adequate replacement of EAGLE?

I asked myself the same question and I don't really have a straight forward answer to that question... I just can only share my reflexion about that:

Today Eagle 7.7 is enough for my usage, even is some improvement are missing. They are missing for so long now... I quite used to that missing things.

Today Eagle 7.7 still work on my Linux and my W7 windows:

- At work I'm still using W7 but one day the TI department will proceed to a change to W10. and Eagle 7.7 seems to work fine on W10.

- For my personal license, I use a W7 on a very old PC that will not support any OS upgrade, but I My principal computer run under Linux (Opensuse) and I keep this one, up to date.

In both case Eagle 7.7 still run but one day it will become problematic, this day is quite far from now.

Meanwhile I have a look on other alternatives such as Kicad (I discover that it was created by a guy who work in the same city as me....that funny !)

I just have a look, and I have the impression that on some points Eagle is far better, but on the other hand it's the opposite.

I still have some interrogation about Kicad, mainly about library management (is it possible to connect several pads of package to a single symbol pin ?, is it possible ti add descriptions etc...)

I also see that the import of Packages from Eagle library to Kicad ones is already present, but for the symbols and device, import is not yet working... but they are working on it...

Last point, I work in very small electronic department (the design office consist on 1 person: me) and I have to deal with a lot of other task that routing a board (firmware to develop, mechanical parts to design, software to setup our products, benchmark to test our product etc...)

So I can not afford to spend too much time in learning a new software.

So in my humble opinion, it's urgent to do nothing drastic.

I will keep in mind that one day I will have troubles with Eagle, and so I have to look around for an other software.

Since it's free, I will start to try Kicad on small personal projects, and see what it's capable of, and begin to learn how to use it.

If it's not that bad, maybe one day, I will be able to import library from Eagle to Kicad (even if I know that this will not be that simple...) an proceed to the big Jump !

And if Kicad it's not good enough, then I guess I would have to see something else.

Meanwhile I will continue to use Eagle on bigger projects.

Anyway, I do not have any trust in cadsoft/Autodesk now, and even they go back to the previous licensing scheme, I think I will not pay any Euro or whatever to them.

If you have better ideas or suggestion, I would be glad if you let us know !

Guillaume.

Guillaume barrey wrote:

 

So in my humble opinion, it's urgent to do nothing drastic.

I agree with this totally. v7 works well and can still be a good tool for many years to come.

Guillaume barrey wrote:

 

Anyway, I do not have any trust in cadsoft/Autodesk now, and even they go back to the previous licensing scheme, I think I will not pay any Euro or whatever to them.

Personally I wouldn't write them off totally. I don't think what has happened has been a decision made by those Autodesk employees posting on here, I suspect they posted what they posted in good faith and the decision was made higher up the food chain at corporate level by those that have no realisation of the negative impact their decisions make to customers and they were overruled. This is just my personal opinion of what happened and again, to be clear I have no insider knowledge of Autodesk as I am not an employee (before I get accused of being one yet again!).

If Autodesk corporate have a change in policy and start to allow other licensing types again then things might change for the better and if a really excellent newer version of EAGLE came out that you could get a perpetual license for then you might find yourself in a situation where upgrading to it was the smart business decision and then you too would have to do a complete u-turn and eat a slice of humble pie

Best Regards,

Rachael

Hello Rachel,

Thank you for your response and I completely understand your point of view. I right, maybe future will bring a really nice great Eagle version, with permanent licensing scheme, possibility to choose to buy or not the auto-router feature etc......

And you right too, I may I will buy it.

But, as I said, the trust is some thing you build slowly in a long term relationship, that can be destroyed as fast as a finger snapping.

And worse, it's far longer to rebuild a trust that had been destroyed than to build it from scratch with someone new.

The second problem is that in that particular case, there is an impression of been hostage.  Let me explain it (with my bad English, sorry guys ...).

Working with this kind of software is a huge time and work investment. Like other software you have to learn it. But you also build your libraries. And that is a huge precious thing.

So when you have to choose which software you will use you have to be sure that this investment  will not be crushed or locked by a bunch of financial directors in a huge company that don't care about your time and work.

In a word: I can not say that I will never buy a new eagle version again... it's just that it would not be that easy, and a simple fantastic new version would not be enough.

And directors should have though about that BEFORE destroying the trust of their customer.... it would be easier for Casdsoft....

Guillaume

Am 25.02.2017 um 12:29 schrieb Guillaume barrey:

And directors should have though about that BEFORE destroying the trust of their customer.... it would be easier for Casdsoft....

I'm quite confident that this was well thought of. They were fully aware

that they would loose the majority of the existing customer base. This

is where the price-explosion comes into play: You need only a few people

stupid enough to support this nonsense and everything is fine again. And

it gets even better with every new user.

Expect it to stay as it is.

rk wrote on Sat, 25 February 2017 13:36

Am 25.02.2017 um 12:29 schrieb Guillaume barrey:

And directors should have though about that BEFORE destroying the

trust of their customer.... it would be easier for Casdsoft....

 

I'm quite confident that this was well thought of. They were fully

aware

that they would loose the majority of the existing customer base. This

is where the price-explosion comes into play: You need only a few

people

stupid enough to support this nonsense and everything is fine again.

And

it gets even better with every new user.

 

Expect it to stay as it is.

It's comments like this that are contributing to further fracturing the

community and it's really not productive.

You can choose to deal with the changes in EAGLE licensing how you see fit

for your situation, but you are not in any position to brand other people

stupid because they don't necessarily agree with your point of view. Many

perhaps don't like it but equally don't want to throw away years of

experience and investment in their setup, libraries etc. Please have

respect for the opinions of others.

Best Regards,

Rachael

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rk wrote on Sat, 25 February 2017 13:36

Am 25.02.2017 um 12:29 schrieb Guillaume barrey:

And directors should have though about that BEFORE destroying the

trust of their customer.... it would be easier for Casdsoft....

 

I'm quite confident that this was well thought of. They were fully

aware

that they would loose the majority of the existing customer base. This

is where the price-explosion comes into play: You need only a few

people

stupid enough to support this nonsense and everything is fine again.

And

it gets even better with every new user.

 

Expect it to stay as it is.

It's comments like this that are contributing to further fracturing the

community and it's really not productive.

You can choose to deal with the changes in EAGLE licensing how you see fit

for your situation, but you are not in any position to brand other people

stupid because they don't necessarily agree with your point of view. Many

perhaps don't like it but equally don't want to throw away years of

experience and investment in their setup, libraries etc. Please have

respect for the opinions of others.

Best Regards,

Rachael

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Am 25.02.2017 um 14:46 schrieb Rachael:

perhaps don't like it but equally don't want to throw away years of

experience and investment in their setup, libraries etc. Please have

So if I don't subscribe I'm doomed to throw away my experience,

libraries, setup and so on? Why?

Am 25.02.2017 um 14:46 schrieb Rachael:

perhaps don't like it but equally don't want to throw away years of

experience and investment in their setup, libraries etc. Please have

So if I don't subscribe I'm doomed to throw away my experience,

libraries, setup and so on? Why?

rk wrote on Sat, 25 February 2017 14:20

Am 25.02.2017 um 14:46 schrieb Rachael:

perhaps don't like it but equally don't want to throw away years

of

experience and investment in their setup, libraries etc. Please

have

 

So if I don't subscribe I'm doomed to throw away my experience,

libraries, setup and so on? Why?

You know full well that's not what I was saying. You're just annoyed

because I called you out for calling people stupid.

But to answer your question, no you are not doomed to throw anything away

because you don't subscribe. You can still use the existing version of

EAGLE you have indefinitely. Some people will subscribe, some will stick

with what they have, I'm personally sticking with v7 and waiting until I

see how things progress, other people are however actively migrating to

other packages. Each to their own, everybody has to do what is right for

them and calling people stupid for their choice isn't really on.

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rk wrote on Sat, 25 February 2017 14:20

Am 25.02.2017 um 14:46 schrieb Rachael:

perhaps don't like it but equally don't want to throw away years

of

experience and investment in their setup, libraries etc. Please

have

 

So if I don't subscribe I'm doomed to throw away my experience,

libraries, setup and so on? Why?

You know full well that's not what I was saying. You're just annoyed

because I called you out for calling people stupid.

But to answer your question, no you are not doomed to throw anything away

because you don't subscribe. You can still use the existing version of

EAGLE you have indefinitely. Some people will subscribe, some will stick

with what they have, I'm personally sticking with v7 and waiting until I

see how things progress, other people are however actively migrating to

other packages. Each to their own, everybody has to do what is right for

them and calling people stupid for their choice isn't really on.

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rk wrote on Sat, 25 February 2017 14:20

Am 25.02.2017 um 14:46 schrieb Rachael:

perhaps don't like it but equally don't want to throw away years

of

experience and investment in their setup, libraries etc. Please

have

 

So if I don't subscribe I'm doomed to throw away my experience,

libraries, setup and so on? Why?

You know full well that's not what I was saying. You're just annoyed

because I called you out for calling people stupid.

But to answer your question, no you are not doomed to throw anything away

because you don't subscribe. You can still use the existing version of

EAGLE you have indefinitely. Some people will subscribe, some will stick

with what they have, I'm personally sticking with v7 and waiting until I

see how things progress, other people are however actively migrating to

other packages. Each to their own, everybody has to do what is right for

them and calling people stupid for their choice isn't really on.

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