Deleting internal layers

Am 06.10.2016 um 22:52 schrieb Karl Lautman:

I'm modifying a previous design into something different.  The original

design was laid out on a 4-layer board, but I'd like to lay out the new one

on a 2-layer board.  I've set things up correctly on the layers tab in DRC,

but the Layers panel in the board designer still shows the internal layers,

and it gives me an error when I try to delete them ("Can't delete internal

layers.").  Is there a way around this? If push comes to shove, is it safe

to just ignore the internal layers while I'm routing?

 

The reason I'm not creating a new design from scratch is that there's a

power supply section in the original design that was kind of tricky to

route, so I'd like to preserve it.  Everything else is just airwires I'll

have to re-route.  Thanks.

 

I'm running v4.16 on Win7 x64.

 

That cannot be done in v.4.16 without tricks on a binary base and the

layers must be empty.

The first version where that was possible was 5.12

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Joern Paschedag

Thanks, Joern.  One of these days I'll have to upgrade, but since I rarely

use the autorouter it's not clear to me what the benefit would be.  I guess

this would be one.  In the meantime, can I just ignore the inner layers as

I route and when I produce my Gerbers?

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Am 07.10.2016 um 17:39 schrieb Karl Lautman:

Thanks, Joern.  One of these days I'll have to upgrade, but since I rarely

use the autorouter it's not clear to me what the benefit would be.  I guess

this would be one.  In the meantime, can I just ignore the inner layers as

I route and when I produce my Gerbers?

 

IMHO the autorouter is for the birds

If you produce Gerbers for a board house just talk to them to ignore the

inner layers.

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Mit freundlichen Grüßen / With best regards

Joern Paschedag

the autorouter is for the birds

Which is why I avoid it.  Plus, I actually enjoy the routing process.

Can you think of any other reasons to upgrade? 

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Am 07.10.2016 um 17:59 schrieb Karl Lautman:

the autorouter is for the birds

 

Which is why I avoid it.  Plus, I actually enjoy the routing process.

 

Can you think of any other reasons to upgrade?

 

Don't ask ME

It certainly depends on what you need/want.

If you upgrade from 4 to 5 you pay the upgrade fee, if you upgrade from

4 to 6 you pay twice the fee and so on. You should check the release

notes at the cadsoft site and then decide what you really need.

As I have checked the site I noticed that you cannot straight download

versions before 7

anymore. You have to do that on the cadsoft ftp site. I would do that

NOW and download

ver. 5.15 and 6.6.0 for your system, because I think that will not be

possible anymore in near future. You can then license the version you want.

You may have noticed that cadsoft/eagle has been resold from Farnell to

Autodesk

Imho their policy is even more worst than was Farnells. I shall not

accept their License and Services Agreement and I don't like the

Autodesk Privacy Statement at all.

Apart from that I think that for the upgrade fee from ver.6  to 7 the

real achievement is far too less.

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Mit freundlichen Grüßen / With best regards

Joern Paschedag

Am 07.10.2016 um 17:59 schrieb Karl Lautman:

the autorouter is for the birds

 

Which is why I avoid it.  Plus, I actually enjoy the routing process.

 

Can you think of any other reasons to upgrade?

 

Don't ask ME

It certainly depends on what you need/want.

If you upgrade from 4 to 5 you pay the upgrade fee, if you upgrade from

4 to 6 you pay twice the fee and so on. You should check the release

notes at the cadsoft site and then decide what you really need.

As I have checked the site I noticed that you cannot straight download

versions before 7

anymore. You have to do that on the cadsoft ftp site. I would do that

NOW and download

ver. 5.15 and 6.6.0 for your system, because I think that will not be

possible anymore in near future. You can then license the version you want.

You may have noticed that cadsoft/eagle has been resold from Farnell to

Autodesk

Imho their policy is even more worst than was Farnells. I shall not

accept their License and Services Agreement and I don't like the

Autodesk Privacy Statement at all.

Apart from that I think that for the upgrade fee from ver.6  to 7 the

real achievement is far too less.

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Mit freundlichen Grüßen / With best regards

Joern Paschedag

On 10/8/2016 3:22 AM, Joern Paschedag wrote:

Am 07.10.2016 um 17:59 schrieb Karl Lautman:

the autorouter is for the birds

 

Which is why I avoid it.  Plus, I actually enjoy the routing process.

 

Can you think of any other reasons to upgrade?

 

 

Don't ask ME

It certainly depends on what you need/want.

If you upgrade from 4 to 5 you pay the upgrade fee, if you upgrade from

4 to 6 you pay twice the fee and so on.

Hi Joern,

Just to clarify this policy has changed. There's no multiplier anymore

so everyone pays the same flat upgrade fee.

hth,

Jorge Garcia

Autodesk Support

Am 10.10.2016 um 18:50 schrieb Jorge Garcia:

On 10/8/2016 3:22 AM, Joern Paschedag wrote:

Am 07.10.2016 um 17:59 schrieb Karl Lautman:

the autorouter is for the birds

 

Which is why I avoid it.  Plus, I actually enjoy the routing process.

 

Can you think of any other reasons to upgrade?

 

 

Don't ask ME

It certainly depends on what you need/want.

If you upgrade from 4 to 5 you pay the upgrade fee, if you upgrade from

4 to 6 you pay twice the fee and so on.

 

Hi Joern,

 

Just to clarify this policy has changed. There's no multiplier anymore

so everyone pays the same flat upgrade fee.

 

hth,

Jorge Garcia

Autodesk Support

 

 

Hi Jorge,

thanks for cutting in.

Not too long ago I read somewhere in the newsgroups that every step up

needs a fee which seems also to be logical to me.

So do I understand you right that for example an upgrade from Version

4.16 to version 7.7.0 cost one fee only? (which is around €600.- for a

professional (ultimate now?))

If that is so it would certainly catch the interest of users

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Mit freundlichen Grüßen / With best regards

Joern Paschedag

There's an upgrade quoter https://cadsoft.io/pricing/ (bottom of the page).

Based on my license number, it says my cost to upgrade from 4.16r2 Pro to

Ultimate (presumably v7.7) is $US 541 (about 600 euros).  It doesn't

indicate any other fees.

Compared to a new license, that's a very attractive price, but I'm having

trouble finding out what's better about the 7.7 vs. 4.16, so I can't tell

if it's actually worth it.

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Not too long ago I read somewhere in the newsgroups that every step up

needs a fee which seems also to be logical to me.

Hi Joern,

This was the case under Farnell, things are different under Autodesk :).

 

So do I understand you right that for example an upgrade from Version

4.16 to version 7.7.0 cost one fee only? (which is around €600.- for a

professional (ultimate now?))

 

If that is so it would certainly catch the interest of users

You are understanding correctly. As Karl has already discovered.

Let me know if there's anything else I can do for you.

Best Regards,

Jorge Garcia

Am 11.10.2016 um 18:01 schrieb Karl Lautman:

trouble finding out what's better about the 7.7 vs. 4.16, so I can't tell

if it's actually worth it.

Why do you have trouble finding that out? Just download the 7.7, extract

its contents with your packer of choice and go straight to the doc

folder. You'll find the file UPDATE_en.txt here (same as it is for your

current 4.16r2 installation).

Within UPDATE_en.txt, jump to the section "Release notes for EAGLE

4.16r2". From here, you can read the file back up to the top (skip the

"Bugfixes" sections while reading).

Alternatively, read the release notes online (menu on the right side):

https://cadsoft.io/resources/

As far as I can tell, the update is definitely worth it. In short: The

jump from 4.1 to 5 is a HUGE one, contains many must-have features. The

jump from 5 to 6 is not quite that exciting, but once again you'll get

some nice new features. V7 is V6 with increased version number.

Rene

Compared to a new license, that's a very attractive price, but I'm having

trouble finding out what's better about the 7.7 vs. 4.16, so I can't tell

if it's actually worth it.

 

Hi Karl,

Here is my best shot at summarizing what has been added to EAGLE since

V4.16. If I miss anything, hopefully other users will chime in.

Differential Pair Routing with Length equalization

XML File format for easy version control

Assembly Variants

Custom context menu entries

2 sheets in the Freeware version

Table of contents view in the library editor

Arbitrary pad shapes in the library editor

The ability to assign multiple pads to a single pin in the library

Attributes(Maybe was in V4 I don't quite remember)

Follow-me router

Schematic Hierarchy(still needs work, but the future is bright)

Infinite undo/redo list within a session

Better resolution on the CAM processor by default

Dimension tool

Import existing EAGLE drawings into new ones (Design Reuse)

Sheet thumbnails in the Schematic

Design previews in the EAGLE control panel

ACCEL-ASCII Import

Bridges to LTSpice and PCBSim

Net names show up on traces and pads in the layout editor

This is everything I have off the top of my head, however I'm sure I

missed a few things.

Let me know if there's anything else I can do for you.

Best Regards,

Jorge Garcia

Thanks, Jorge.

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Thanks, Jorge.

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