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Seneca breaks silence on Fedora Remix

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Former Member over 13 years ago

After a puzzling two months of silence from Seneca with regard to

plans for fixing the withdrawn Fedora Remix, there is a blog post

indicating that work is starting with the beginning of summer,

including fixing the problem with attempting to change the timezone.

 

http://roottothehead.blogspot.com/2012/05/summer-at-seneca.html

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    Former Member over 13 years ago

    Chris Tyler posted an update today.

    Estimated release date is 20th, but lots of work to do.

     

    http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/arm/2012-July/003631.html

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    Former Member over 13 years ago in reply to Former Member

    New estimated release date for Fedora Remix from Chris Tyler:

    "aim to ship next week", with 3.2.27 kernel.

     

    http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2012-09-26/fedora-meeting-1.2012-09-26-20.00.log.html

     

     

    Also, the RPF is reportedly working with Fedora on firmware licensing:

     

    >> I heard that there won't be an official Fedora build of the Raspberry Pi remix because

    >> the firmware license is not compatible with the Fedora firmware guidelines.

    >

    > Correct at this point in time. I meant an official remix stable release.

    > Fedora legal and the board are working with the foundation to try and resolve the firmware issue

     

    http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/arm/2012-September/004085.html

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    Former Member over 12 years ago in reply to Former Member

    there was an announcement on the 14th - the long awaited camera was released and went on sale.

     

    whether that's what he was hinting at, or not I couldn't say.... but I don't think I'd bother releasing anything on the same day as the camera.

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  • Problemchild
    Problemchild over 12 years ago in reply to Former Member

    I'm sure that was in fact the "Big Anouncement"  personally I can't see what the camera module has to do with a Fedora Release, unless they planned a release n the same day which supported it?

    I managed to get an order in for one of those cameras after a load of hassle the only similarity between them both is that they are both like Unicorn Manure(TM)

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    Former Member over 12 years ago in reply to Problemchild

    the camera board is supposedly still in stock for now, I put my order in earlier today.. I've been watching the '840 in stock' number diminish rapidly ever since.

    Currently can't decide if they'll last the day or not..

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  • Problemchild
    Problemchild over 12 years ago in reply to Former Member

    Yeah I was initially directed to the Farnell site and that went buy 9.30am yesterday !!

    Also they have implemented strict one per customer limitations.

    I hope to get mine soon as I ordered it yesterday and normally CPC do next day image

     

    I live in hope ......or at least where a few Unicorns run about image

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    Former Member over 12 years ago in reply to Problemchild

    John Alexander wrote:

     

    Yeah I was initially directed to the Farnell site and that went buy 9.30am yesterday !!

    Also they have implemented strict one per customer limitations.

    I hope to get mine soon as I ordered it yesterday and normally CPC do next day image

    Interesting that CPC have done a one-per-customer thing again (and out of stock already), there's absolutely no indication of anything like that on the farnell site

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    Former Member over 12 years ago in reply to Former Member

    My bet is that the May 14 camera announcement was pure coincidence,

    and that Chris Tyler's non-announcement was due to yet another delay

    of the hard-float Fedora 18 Remix release.

     

    There are lots of software release lessons to be learned from the Seneca folks,

    and it is ironic that their group is based on a class on that topic.  One of the

    obvious lessons is not to discontinue maintenance on your current release

    while you are working on the next release, because the next release might

    not come as soon as you expect.

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    Former Member over 12 years ago in reply to Former Member

    ... or perhaps the "ctyler" who made the mysterious pre-announcement on the Pi forum isn't that C Tyler at all. User "ctyler" isn't exactly prolific, so it's rather hard to judge authenticity by other posts:

     

    http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=39637

     

    joined Pi forum: 22nd Oct 2012

     

    last visited: 30th April 2013

     

    total posts: 1

     

    There are indeed many lessons to be gleaned here. Perhaps one of the most crucial is that as the Fedora Project don't officially support the Pi then it's always going to be an uphill struggle. Another is that after reading endless meeting transcripts, mailing list faddle and the like, it's pretty clear to me that Seneca are very good at making plans, but not so good at actually getting stuff done, or communicating with users of their product.

     

    I wouldn't hire them to organise a kiddies' party. They'd probably spend a year having meetings trying to decide on the optimum inflation pressure for the bouncy castle. Then they'd forget to hire the magician and the party food would doubtless be made from tofu, brussel sprouts and granary floorsweepings.

     

    If Fedora had any sense they'd slap a "cease and desist" on them. image

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    Former Member over 12 years ago in reply to Former Member

    There is news coming today.

    The agenda for the Fedora Arm meeting that starts at 4pm EDT says:

      

            5) Pidora Status Update

     

    http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/arm/2013-May/005992.html

     

    Pidora is what they are calling the planned hard-float F18 RPi Remix.

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    Former Member over 12 years ago in reply to Former Member

    The meeting log at:

        http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2013-05-15/fedora-meeting-1.2013-05-15-20.18.log.txt

    20:54:28 #topic 5) Pidora Status Update

    20:55:10 Do we have a Pidora 18 final image.

    20:55:11 But!

    20:55:30 The foundation updated the firmware on Monday, and we have some breakage.

    20:56:02 Should have that fixed in the next few hours. Once we have final image, we'll schedule the release announcement.

    20:56:10 firstboot doesn't run

    20:56:39 Looks like an issue accessing the vfat /boot partition.

    20:56:50 We would have shipped with the previous firmware rev, but the new firmware

    20:57:04 enables Pidora to be included on a new multi-distro card image

    20:57:16 that will be bundled with the HW for a few dollars.

    20:57:27 And we really want to be there.

    20:58:41 ctyler, great, any features we can look for, cool things? or should we wait for the announcement?

    20:59:16 Reasonable performance of the GUI, full toolchain on the card, nice firstboot,

    20:59:32 headless mode, many other fun things.

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    Problemchild over 12 years ago in reply to Former Member

    To be honest this sounds altogether more likely.

    I'm a great Fedora fan but unless moreof this project gets pushed into the mainstream I really can't see it as relevant.

    Every one is now "Rasbian" for the most part and all the specific stuff(drivers,documentation etc) now reference it.

     

    Maybe the other software development lesson they could learn is to produce something and keep doing it as well as

    comunicating with your "customers"!

     

    What we have here is failure to comunicate WIKI

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    Problemchild over 12 years ago in reply to Former Member

    To be honest this sounds altogether more likely.

    I'm a great Fedora fan but unless moreof this project gets pushed into the mainstream I really can't see it as relevant.

    Every one is now "Rasbian" for the most part and all the specific stuff(drivers,documentation etc) now reference it.

     

    Maybe the other software development lesson they could learn is to produce something and keep doing it as well as

    comunicating with your "customers"!

     

    What we have here is failure to comunicate WIKI

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