Seneca breaks silence on Fedora Remix

Chris Tyler posted an update today.

Estimated release date is 20th, but lots of work to do.

http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/arm/2012-July/003631.html

Chris Tyler posted an update today.

Estimated release date is 20th, but lots of work to do.

http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/arm/2012-July/003631.html

That's a very interesting read.

Lots of problems that appear directly related to trying to force options suited to todays desktops onto the comparatively resource light Pi.

You have to wonder what PCI devices they expect to see on the Pi.

Wanting to enable SELinux seems particularly strange. If there's any educational goal left, surely we want to get kids interested and hooked on doing stuff before we teach them to hate SELinux ?

From what I read here he actually says

1) I want it to actually scan for the PCI devices ...yes the RPi doesn't have a PCI expansion  but it's quite possible for a
SOC or any other part to have an internal PCI bus that the peripherals are attached to and also not all may be enabled since that GPU device does some configuring before hand so you can't just guess the config.

2) X performance is poor......Yes it is!.... better than it was at day 0 though! ....I think theat X is very useful since most people don't want tto be thrown into a command line these days if they don't have UNIX experience

3) Re SELinux he's actually saying the SELINUX configuration is TOO memory expensive not that he wants to put it in regardless just that the memory burn is a total PITA.

BTW I saw some where that some bunch had got a generic openGL implementation going using the GPU how do we get this back to these guys rather than moaning !!!

Thanks for the Update BTW Coder27

I see that needing a different SD card for each different image is going to be a major pain in the backside.  Pi really needs a network image boot, so that we can store umpteen different images externally and the SD card can remain fixed --- let the VideoCore boot just a network-aware bootstrap, not a Linux kernel.

AMEN !!

I'm wondering if a  network aware minikernel would be good for this then ?!

If they really want the Pi to get into schools then network boot is pretty much mandatory.  The horrors of administering classroms full of devices each with local storage don't bear thinking about.  You have to have central administration or teachers will be jumping off bridges.

1) I want it to actually scan for the PCI devices ...yes the RPi doesn't have a PCI expansion

ok, so why bother ?

but it's quite possible for a
SOC or any other part to have an internal PCI bus that the peripherals are attached to and also not all may be enabled since that GPU device does some configuring before hand so you can't just guess the config.

Certainly true that it's possible, however ARM devices tend to use AMBA for anything on the SoC. We know the RPi uses AMBA and that it doesn't have PCI, so why waste space on any PCI options ?

He says "I don't want to turn off SELinux", then implies that he will because it's too memory expensive. Not sure how to read that any other way, not wanting to turn it off seems to me a strong hint that you want to turn it on.

Yes and no. The idea of just been able to tinker means you need to be able to do your own thing with your own image.

However if you are putting these into schools you need to be able to revert these systems at least for the period of the lesson to a common system image so that you can be certain of reaching a given outcome.

Having said this failing is often the greatest learning experience....but the curiculum and the fact that they want to measure that such and such a fact was taught on such a day would probably exclude that.

I hope that this RPi don't become a boring bit of crap that's just a vehicle to drive some ones idea of curriculum and to make it EASY for teachers to pour the same stuff down everybodys' neck ...At this point you would be better off with a propper real PC that can be got for bugger all 2nd hand

True but also you need to maintain as much of the distro consistancy as posible  unless you want to be the maintainer of 1000's of mods.

"He says "I don't want to turn off SELinux", then implies that he will because it's too memory expensive. Not sure how to read that any other way, not wanting to turn it off seems to me a strong hint that you want to turn it on."

Sounds more likely he wanted to me consistant with the Distro but he feels that the memory hit is TOO big and will leave it off to me quite the oposite.

Personally it's better with it off anyway 'cos it has little relevance to a toy computer and not that much to a real one eitehr most of the time ...GRR bloody SELINUX

There's been some work done by swarren to get u-boot running. I know lots of people don't seem to like u-boot, but regardless. It does get you to a point where you can have a minimal amount of stuff on the sdcard and have u-boot do a network boot from there.

Not sure you can get to the sort of nice boot menus you could do with pxelinux & vesamenu, but it's a step in the right direction at least.