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hawktalon
hawktalon over 10 years ago

Hi, I'm very new to FPGA. Most of what I did was PIC and Atmel microcontrollers. I want to know about the design consideration of implementing an FPGA into a system. How do you pick the suitable FPGA to suit your needs? I know there are specifications such as number of logic elements, PLLs, multiplier and such but you will never know how much of those you will need until you finish the vhdl and compile it. Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure the hardware has to be finalized before the vhdl codes are done in a general development process.

 

Also, I see that there are a few companies making FPGA. Namely Xillinx, Altera, Lattice etc. What are the differences between their product? Most of what I can search online talks about their development IDEs in terms of which one has free tools or which company has IP restrictions. It's hard for a beginner like me to make sense of what Cyclone offers compared to Spartan and such.

 

Third question is how do you objectively quantify and compare the performance between FPGAs? Assuming they all run at the same clock. Since they are all essentially doing the same thing and is functionally the same when loaded with the same vhdl code. How do they fare against each other in terms of efficiency, speed and what not? Googling around I only find people comparing them with GPUs and CPUs. Companies advertising their product using vague and very general descriptions doesn't help at all.

 

Sorry if these are very newb questions but I am a newb trying to learn FPGA. My college provides FPGA courses which I am now just starting but they only teach how to write vhdl. There are no info on hardware considerations or even how to set up a FPGA chip. Thanks in advance!

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  • michaelkellett
    michaelkellett over 9 years ago in reply to johnbeetem +3
    I wouldn't consider myself to be an Altera expert but I do use VHDL quite a bit. I've been away so others have covered the key points. You don't really suffer from vendor lock in on simple FPGA hardware…
  • johnbeetem
    johnbeetem over 10 years ago +2 suggested
    That's a lot of material to cover, but I'll try to tackle a few items. First, it's unfortunate that your college only does VHDL. I personally prefer Verilog, which is more concise and IMO easier to write…
  • Jan Cumps
    Jan Cumps over 10 years ago in reply to johnbeetem +2 suggested
    On the tutorial part, there's also the very good VHDL handbook (and a list of FPGA projects he did, with source code) from hamsternz . FPGA course - Hamsterworks Wiki! I'm using a jack.gassett 's Papilio…
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    0 hawktalon over 9 years ago

    Ok, one more question. How do you differentiate the chips from the vendors in terms of the design of the chips themselves not the IDEs. What makes Xillinx/Altera/Lattice chips different from each other?

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    0 michaelkellett over 9 years ago in reply to hawktalon

    At the beginner level it doesn't matter much - simple things like power, price, packages, ip support and availability are more important than the core architecture.

    You'll only fully understand and care about the differences as you become more experienced.

    You can read a lot of interesting material on the Xilinx and Altera websites about the high end stuff.

    Lattice are much more in to the low end small devices.

    Although I've been FPGA-ing since Xilinx made the first 64 LUT device I wouldn't be able to give you a good analysis of the relative merits of Altera and Xilinx high end devices, quite simply because I don't work in that area.

     

    Things that might sway some people are:

    Xilinx have a fairly low cost C -> FPGA tool (it isn't quite C and it isn't 100% automatic),

    Altera have just announced a new RAD hard device for space applications,

    Lattice ICE40 parts use hardly any power (I just measured the core current on an ICE40 HX8 running  a data acquisition application at 400k samples/second and using 50MHz primary clock at 3.5mA)

     

    MK

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    0 michaelkellett over 9 years ago in reply to hawktalon

    At the beginner level it doesn't matter much - simple things like power, price, packages, ip support and availability are more important than the core architecture.

    You'll only fully understand and care about the differences as you become more experienced.

    You can read a lot of interesting material on the Xilinx and Altera websites about the high end stuff.

    Lattice are much more in to the low end small devices.

    Although I've been FPGA-ing since Xilinx made the first 64 LUT device I wouldn't be able to give you a good analysis of the relative merits of Altera and Xilinx high end devices, quite simply because I don't work in that area.

     

    Things that might sway some people are:

    Xilinx have a fairly low cost C -> FPGA tool (it isn't quite C and it isn't 100% automatic),

    Altera have just announced a new RAD hard device for space applications,

    Lattice ICE40 parts use hardly any power (I just measured the core current on an ICE40 HX8 running  a data acquisition application at 400k samples/second and using 50MHz primary clock at 3.5mA)

     

    MK

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