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Where to start for an easy intro to FPGAs?

Fred27
Fred27 over 6 years ago

I'm sure this is one of those questions that is going to have more opinion that definitive answer, but I'm going to ask it anyway. I've not done anything with FPGAs. I know what they are and what they can do. I know that they're a bit of a shift in mindset for someone who's used to coding for a microcontroller. I'm at the same stage that I'm sure many people are. I want to find out if FPGAs are the sort of thing that I want to get into or not. To dip my toe in the water so to speak.

 

The trouble is there are a lot of manufacturers who seem to have their own tool chains and programming approaches. It's tricky picking one to start with. There are road tests of a few on here but to be honest they all sound hard and are difficult to compare. Has anyone got advice on where to start? I suppose my priorities are:

 

  • Once I pick a manufacturer I want to stick with it. Jumping from one to another will just make it harder.
  • It would be hopefully easy to get the basics. I don't need raw power right now. Being able to create a microcontroller core is great, but will only confuse me at this stage.
  • The option of a SoC alongside a microcontroller would be a nice option for later, but once again I don't need it right now.
  • Reasonably cheap. It doesn't have to be the cheapest, but this may be a dead end experience so I'd prefer 10s rather than 100s of £/$.

 

Right now I was thinking of waiting see how the pans out for those selected, and to learn from their experience. However, any opinions are welcome

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  • genebren
    genebren over 6 years ago +8 suggested
    David, You might want to look at CPLD's first. They are very much the same as FPGA, but smaller (#gates and #pins). They are typically programmed with the same tools and languages as FPGAs. I started with…
  • michaelkellett
    michaelkellett over 6 years ago +8 suggested
    If you want to learn about FPGAs then don't mess with CPLDs. The CoolRunners are ancient (15 year old designs). There are 4 major players in the FPGA business, Xilinx, Intel (was Altera), Lattice and Microsemi…
  • michaelkellett
    michaelkellett over 6 years ago in reply to neuromodulator +8 suggested
    Lots of interesting points - I'm off on a long weekend hol so not enough time to cover them all but I'll have a go. There are two primary HDL (Hardware Definition Languages), Verilog and VHDL. They both…
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    0 michaelkellett over 6 years ago

    If you want to learn about FPGAs then don't mess with CPLDs. The CoolRunners are ancient (15 year old designs).

     

    There are 4 major players in the FPGA business, Xilinx, Intel (was Altera), Lattice and Microsemi.

     

    Lattice are the only player interested in cheap FPGAs and they are actively working on their ice40 parts. They also have an XP2 range. They have FPGAs in thse ranges TQFP and QFN packages. The tools are the simplest to use but a bit basic.

     

    Intel (Altera) have the Cyclone 10 range which are nice in that the whole range is available in TQFP, they offer many parts in single 3.3V working and they are real full function FPGAs. The Altera free tool set is (in my opinion) the nicest of the free tools.

     

    Xilinx are the market leader in mega stuff and their main (Vivado) toolset is huge, very powerful and rather overwhelming (it has a free version too). Their CPLDs and older chips are not supported by Viavado but by older tools ( still free but one feels the coprporate focus is elsewhere.) Xilinx have no FPGAs in TQFP that are also supported by Vivado.

     

    The cheapest dev boards are Chinese boards with older Altera chips on them - you can get going for well under £30. There are Lattice boards as cheap from Farnell - I'd go with the Brevia 2253073 for about £35 - it's got a RAM chip and debug interface on the baord.

     

    There is a really cheap Lattice ice40 board from Gnarlygrey but these do have some issues which might be hard for a novice to deal with.

     

    Gnarly Grey - a microelectronic architecture company

     

    i'd leave the Arduino MKR Vidor 4000 for a few months (till it's properly sorted) - I really don't like the Arduino approach of wrapping everything up in it's own cloak but the board is cheap and has a decent FPGA on it (unfortunately matched with a totally under powered processor.)  And of course some people really like the Arduino way.

     

    (Ooops - I didn't say anything about Microsemi - but that's because I've never used their stuff !)

     

    MK

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    0 michaelkellett over 6 years ago

    If you want to learn about FPGAs then don't mess with CPLDs. The CoolRunners are ancient (15 year old designs).

     

    There are 4 major players in the FPGA business, Xilinx, Intel (was Altera), Lattice and Microsemi.

     

    Lattice are the only player interested in cheap FPGAs and they are actively working on their ice40 parts. They also have an XP2 range. They have FPGAs in thse ranges TQFP and QFN packages. The tools are the simplest to use but a bit basic.

     

    Intel (Altera) have the Cyclone 10 range which are nice in that the whole range is available in TQFP, they offer many parts in single 3.3V working and they are real full function FPGAs. The Altera free tool set is (in my opinion) the nicest of the free tools.

     

    Xilinx are the market leader in mega stuff and their main (Vivado) toolset is huge, very powerful and rather overwhelming (it has a free version too). Their CPLDs and older chips are not supported by Viavado but by older tools ( still free but one feels the coprporate focus is elsewhere.) Xilinx have no FPGAs in TQFP that are also supported by Vivado.

     

    The cheapest dev boards are Chinese boards with older Altera chips on them - you can get going for well under £30. There are Lattice boards as cheap from Farnell - I'd go with the Brevia 2253073 for about £35 - it's got a RAM chip and debug interface on the baord.

     

    There is a really cheap Lattice ice40 board from Gnarlygrey but these do have some issues which might be hard for a novice to deal with.

     

    Gnarly Grey - a microelectronic architecture company

     

    i'd leave the Arduino MKR Vidor 4000 for a few months (till it's properly sorted) - I really don't like the Arduino approach of wrapping everything up in it's own cloak but the board is cheap and has a decent FPGA on it (unfortunately matched with a totally under powered processor.)  And of course some people really like the Arduino way.

     

    (Ooops - I didn't say anything about Microsemi - but that's because I've never used their stuff !)

     

    MK

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    0 Fred27 over 6 years ago in reply to michaelkellett

    Thanks for the informative comparison, Michael. A relative view of the options is exactly what I'm after. Although as if often the way, with one view of things I think have an answer but as more opinions appear I feel more conflicted! image image

     

    To be honest I'm probably going to be happy with CPLDs and older designs, as long as I'm not on the "wrong" path. If what I learn from CPLDs is transferable and not a dead end then I'm happy. The Coolrunner series does seem to be programmed with Verilog / VHDL in the same way as their bigger brother FPGAs and SoCs so I haven't ruled them out yet. I'm a hobbyist so to be honest I may never grow out of a CPLD that I can easily solder. (I much prefer QFP to QFN if I can.)

     

    I will certainly check out the Lattice boards you mention from Farnell and take a quick peek at the Intel parts.

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    0 michaelkellett over 6 years ago in reply to Fred27

    The downside of the CPLDs is that you don't get memory or multipliers or that many logic elements (except in the modern ones ), since you'll use VHDL or Verilog it's no harder to work with the simple FPGAs.

     

    The Digilent board doesn't include a  JTAG programmer (and the CPLD is tiny with only 64 logic elements v the 5000 or more in the FPGAs we've mentioned) so you would need to budget for that as well.

     

    It does rather depend on what you might try doing first, which we haven't asked yet ........

     

    MK

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    0 Fred27 over 6 years ago in reply to michaelkellett

    michaelkellett  wrote:

    It does rather depend on what you might try doing first, which we haven't asked yet ........

    Good question. To be honest I have nothing pressing that needs programmable logic, just a desire to learn and to use this time wisely. I obviously considered applying for the Path to Programmable, but wasn't sure I could really commit to the time required.

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