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Programmable Electronic Load - Power Stage

This blog documents focuses on the power stage of the electronic load that Robert Peter Oakes, jc2048 and Jan Cumps are designing.

 

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In this post we're laying out a PCB for the power stage - as much as possible with surface mount components. The FET is close to the one Robert Peter Oakes uses in the original design.

 

The BOM

 

ComponentHeader 2Header 3Header 4
P18 pin header, 2.54mm
P2 abinding post, redhirschmann 931714101hirschmann 931714101 -  SOCKET, 4MM, BLACK, PK5 , MLS
P2 bbinding post, blackhirschmann 931714100hirschmann 931714100 -  SOCKET, 4MM, BLACK, PK5 , MLS
P3 abinding post, blacktenma 2301tenma 2301 - Binding Post, 36 A, 500 V, Nickel Plated Contacts, Panel Mount, Black
P3 bbinding post, redtenma 2302tenma 2302 - Binding Post, 36 A, 500 V, Nickel Plated Contacts, Panel Mount, Red
TH1NTC Thermistor, 10KVishay NTCS0805E3103JLTVishay NTCS0805E3103JLT -  THERMISTOR, 10K, 5%, SMD, NTC
Q1N-Channel MosfetInfineon IRF3205SPBFInfineon IRF3205SPBF -  MOSFET Transistor, N Channel, 110 A, 55 V, 8 mohm, 10 V, 4 V
D1, D2DiodeDIODES SBR2A40P1-7DIODES SBR2A40P1-7 -  Standard Recovery Diode, PowerdiRegistered, 40 V, 2 A, Single, 500 mV, 50 A
R1100R1206 any brand
R20R05Vishay WSHP2818R0500FEBVishay WSHP2818R0500FEB -  SMD Current Sense Resistor, 0.05 ohm, 10 W, 2818 [7146 Metric], ± 1%, WSHP2818 Series
Cooler HeatsinkStartech.com FAN370PRO - Socket 7/370 CPU Cooler Heatsink and Fan

 

 

 

NTC

 

For a detailed description on the temperature protection mechanism, check Programmable Electronic Load - Temperature Protection.

 

The voltage sent to the ADC is very dependent on the NTC. I've selected a Vishay NTCS0805E3103JLTVishay NTCS0805E3103JLT -  THERMISTOR, 10K, 5%, SMD, NTC.

I'll program the key values. The behaviour is non-linear and it's easier to make a lookup table if the firmware has to be able to deal with different components.

This will require access to flash to permanently store tha values, and a SCPI function to alter the table if another component is used.

For the first version I'm going to be selfish and just program for the device that I've ordered.

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PCB

 

Exposed copper

 

For good thermal relief, and to get the NTC as good termally coupled to the FET as possible,

I placed a copper pour (here on the front, I'll do the same on the back and stitch them for thermal transport with vias)

Then i drew a pour on the front mask. The area of pour will expose copper. That means that the NTC has physical contact with the copper that the FET is soldered on.

In the fine-tuning I will place that NTC closer to the FET so that I can put a tad of heat paste in between. Or I could put a tad of paste between the NTC and exposed copper ...

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Attention when placing the binding posts. For the power input, RED is 1 and BLACK is 2.

For the sense input, BLACK is 1 and RED is 2.

This is the result of me labeling pin 7 and 8 of the connectors between the driver board and FET board wrong, on both boards image.

The documentation and KiCAD zips are now updated with corrected schematics.

 

I used these 2 Contextual Electronics videos to refresh how to expose copper layers and place VIA arrays:
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Here's the top side of the completed design. I've drawn the FET in green to give perspective.

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In red you see the copper layer, orange is where the solder mask is removed and copper exposed.

Pink are the drill holes. They are 0.9652 mm, in an array of 9 * 8, spaced 2 mm apart.

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On the bottom, the copper pad (green) has the size of my heat sink + some. The removed mask (blue) has the exact size of the sink's bottom profile.

The pink lines are the mounting slots for the heat sink (see below).

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Slots

 

My heat sink has brackets for mounting. I've cut out slots to allow the brackets to through the PCB and fix them on the top side.

 

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I've put some exposed non-connected copper pour around the slots for strength.

The slot is drawn on the Edge.Cuts layer. I hope that the PCB fab interprets that as slots to be milled out ...

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I've attached the KiCAD project, component libs and Gerbers in a single zip. Also the VIA lib that's used here as a separate file (because I share that one across projects).

Attachments:
vias.pretty.zip
eload_offboard_20171227.zip
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  • shabaz
    shabaz over 8 years ago in reply to Jan Cumps +4
    That looks great! Looks like Kicad is quite usable, you're getting good results. I've yet to try it.
  • Jan Cumps
    Jan Cumps over 8 years ago +3
    PCBs have arrived from Seeed. The heatsink fits perfect on the pad. The slots for the mounting bracket turned out OK.
  • Robert Peter Oakes
    Robert Peter Oakes over 8 years ago in reply to Jan Cumps +3
    They look great
  • Jan Cumps
    Jan Cumps over 8 years ago in reply to Jan Cumps

    Old and new:

    Also, I will never use the footprint "Housings_SSOP:VSSOP-8_2.4x2.1mm_Pitch0.5mm" again for a project if there's a bigger option available.image

    I did this to prove @self that I can easily handle them. Either the KiCAD footprint is off, I selected the wrong one or I'm ham-fisted.

    I can't even position the IC correctly before soldering. Seems the package is wider than the footprint.

    (as you may be able to see, I went medieval and removed 3 of the 4 right side pins of U2 image  ).

    (on the other hand not a bad feeling - I don't like U2 very much)

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  • Jan Cumps
    Jan Cumps over 8 years ago in reply to Jan Cumps

    picture upload test ...image

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  • shabaz
    shabaz over 8 years ago in reply to Jan Cumps

    Ouch. It's the day of shorting things. My friend was peeking at his heating boiler circuit board today while it was live, with a screwdriver : ) and the phone rang and he dropped the screwdriver - bang, and now his parents have no heating when they get back from hols..

    There were too many errors in his ways to enumerate image

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  • Robert Peter Oakes
    Robert Peter Oakes over 8 years ago in reply to Jan Cumps

    So a little tweaking with the table should fix that I think... nice work

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  • Robert Peter Oakes
    Robert Peter Oakes over 8 years ago in reply to Jan Cumps

    Ouch.  That sucks. I am curious how it took out everything.  Can't wait for pictures

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  • Jan Cumps
    Jan Cumps over 8 years ago in reply to Jan Cumps

    ... the isolator chip did its job though. The micro controller side (and my laptop!) survived.

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  • Jan Cumps
    Jan Cumps over 8 years ago in reply to Jan Cumps

    I pumped 26 volt into the positive rail of the power side when my temperature probe (bimetal, and apparently very conductive image ) came loose.

    None of the ICs on the ADC board survived. The power supply ICs on the driver board survived. Not sure yet on the port expander and the OpAmp.

     

    <Image was going to be here, but as shabaz reported, it's not possible to upload pictures at this time.>

     

    I've ordered new ICs (a few arrived yesterday and today. Still waiting on the voltage reference and DAC). I couldn't backorder the port expander though - I'll test if it is really dead later this week and look for a different supplier if needed.

    I also received  3 LT opamps with lower bias current. I'll replace the current opamp on the driver board with one of these while I'm fixing it.

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  • Jan Cumps
    Jan Cumps over 8 years ago in reply to jc2048

    Measured with input enabled

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  • jc2048
    jc2048 over 8 years ago in reply to Jan Cumps

    Is the disable active? Then you'd see about 0.6V (diode drop above ground) at the gate when the op-amp wasn't driving it negative.

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  • Jan Cumps
    Jan Cumps over 8 years ago

    The temperature sensing works ok-ish. I measure a FET case temperature on the plastic of 49° C when dissipating 16 W (the fan is on).

    The exposed copper where the heatsink is on measures 44.7° C.

    The top of the NTC is 39.7° C (its belly is above exposed copper)

    The ADC C measures 1.84631 V.

    In a voltage divider setting with a 10 k resistor, that means my NTC has 5854.444 R.

    In the lookup table that translates to a tad above 40°

     

    At 36.5 W, the case temperature is 85°, NTC measures 70°

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