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Have a question about the Next-Gen BeagleBone? Ask it here!

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bluescreen over 12 years ago

There is a lot of excitement about TI's Next-Gen BeagleBone. If you have a specific question about its performance characteristics, tech specs, or anything else, post it as a reply to this thread. We are working closely with TI and will make sure to respond to your questions.  Thanks everyone!  Sagar

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  • shabaz
    shabaz over 12 years ago in reply to Former Member +2
    Until we have some space to work in, I might as well add to this thread: I've not had much time to experiment with the board recently, but I had an hour today, and I tried powering the board from a battery…
  • shobhitkukreti
    shobhitkukreti over 12 years ago +1
    I just ordered a Beagle Bone. What will be the difference in the present beagle bone and the next gen beagle bone ?
  • jkridner
    jkridner over 12 years ago in reply to johnbeetem +1
    The demo I've been showing here at ELC is using an Attic Lapdock. The only special hack required is a USB cable that doesn't short power sine the Lapdock sources power through a port that normally should…
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  • Former Member
    Former Member over 12 years ago

    For anyone else with one of these, see

    https://groups.google.com/forum/#!category-topic/beagleboard/beaglebone-black/G_QjWvBNXvc

     

    you'll probably want to go to http://circuitco.com/support/index.php?title=Updating_The_Software and get the latest software image (2013.05.3 as of now) before trying to do anything with opkg

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    Former Member over 12 years ago in reply to Former Member

    you'll probably want to go to http://circuitco.com/support/index.php?title=Updating_The_Software and get the latest software image (2013.05.3 as of now) before trying to do anything with opkg

     

    Something must have been wrong with the build.  Looks like they pulled it.  I can see it in the change history so you're not a liar image

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  • morgaine
    morgaine over 12 years ago in reply to Former Member

    selsinork wrote:

     

    but those links don't stay forever and once it goes the higher profile it gives will be lost and we'll vanish back into the bowels of the knode to be forgotten again..

     

    And right there you've identified the single biggest problem with the knode.  A group has strong permanence, whereas knode places its emphasis on ephemeral discussions, all mixed up at top level.  It doesn't have the same degree of focus.  Searching and navigation problems are just fallout from that.

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  • Former Member
    Former Member over 12 years ago in reply to fustini

    Drew Fustini wrote:

     

    Is there something that is lacking?  Or is it just that it is buried too deep under the Knode?

     

    One last thought, even here, there's fragmentation.

    There's "enter to win a BeagleBone Black" in Dev kits and Learning center, "The new BeagleBone is Back in Black" in Single-Board computers. both posted by e14 employees it appears.  Whatever happens, wouldn't it be a good idea to have all the Black related stuff in the same place ?

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  • morgaine
    morgaine over 12 years ago in reply to Former Member

    selsinork wrote:

     

    As a suggestion let's have a BeagleBone Black only group.

     

    I think that would be best.  Only the Black will sell in very high volumes from the current Beagle lineup, only the Black is seen as a direct Pi competitor for many applications, and only the Black will result in large numbers of beginner-level questions which we will need to handle helpfully as a community.  A Black-specific group will support that well.

     

    The fact that even E14 staff posts have been scattered all over the map owing to lack of Black focus is funny, but true. image

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  • morgaine
    morgaine over 12 years ago in reply to fustini

    Ping.

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  • fustiniadmin
    fustiniadmin over 12 years ago in reply to morgaine

    Hi selsinork & Morgaine, thanks for the feedback and you both raise good points. 

     

    I spoke with Sagar  today and there is a plan to improve the BBB experience on the site.  We understand that the navigation is lacking and it will be improved.  There is also the issue of the pre-release "next-gen" name versus the actual "black" name.  Those next-gen references will be migrated to black including in URLs.

     

    In the meantime, this discussion area ("Home > the knode > Development Platforms and Kits > element14 Development Kits > BeagleBone Black > Discussions") is the preferred location for BBB discussions.

     

    Thanks,

    Drew

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  • johnbeetem
    johnbeetem over 12 years ago in reply to Former Member

    selsinork wrote:

     

    As a suggestion let's have a BeagleBone Black only group.  One of the problems I see in the wider community is the lack of distinction between the different beagle boards. So much so that while navigating their wiki looking for info on the eMMC that's only on the Black you're getting directed to stuff for the BeagleBoard xM and it's often more difficult than it needs to be to determine if what you're reading applies to the Black or not.

    My preference is to have a BeagleBone group and not discriminate on the basis of soldermask color.  This is somewhat selfish on my part, since I already have a BBone White and I'm not planning to pick up a BBone Black any time soon.

     

    I think the differences between Black and White aren't that great -- it's almost the same processor, and I would hope that the expansion connectors are compatible so you can use the same capes.  So most topics about BBone Black would also apply to White, except for HDMI of course.  Yes, BBone White has built-in USB serial and JTAG but I suspect most users of those aren't going to need as much help.

     

    I do heartily agree with keeping BeagleBones separate from BeagleBoards.  And I don't mind it being called the "BeagleBone Black" group as long as it's clear that Whites are welcome too -- as well as a future  BeagleBone Brown some day image

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    Former Member over 12 years ago in reply to johnbeetem

    I suppose that's mostly ok.  I'd just prefer we learn from the mistakes that are obvious on some of the wikis where there's no distinguishing lines and clicking on a link supposedly for upgrading the eMMC takes you to instructions for microSD on a board that doesn't have eMMC.

     

    On the subject of capes, most of the stuff I've read, seen as clips on youtube etc tends to gloss over the white/black differences. I've been going through the pinouts of the expansion headers and marking off the ones you can't use due to hdmi/emmc. Without doing the math, it looks like you lose ~70% of P8. And as it also appears that there's no simple way to disable either - you need to send a software command to the eMMC to enable reset before you can disable it and you seemingly need to send something over I2C to the hdmi framer.

    So capes could be an interesting experience image

     

    As a serious cape related question.. How many capes actually cost less than the Black ? A quick scan through uk.farnell.com suggests not many, so I wonder how the Black will affect the cape ecosystem.

     

    I don't plan on ever using capes myself, but I also realise I'm probably not quite the average target audience for them either image 

    I possibly would have used one of the DVI capes with the original bone, but adding the cost of those together puts it close enough to a sabre-lite - which probably explains why I never did get the original.

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  • Former Member
    Former Member over 12 years ago in reply to johnbeetem

    John Beetem wrote:

     

    as well as a future  BeagleBone Brown some day image

    only as long as it leaves the blue leds at the door image

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  • johnbeetem
    johnbeetem over 12 years ago in reply to Former Member

    selsinork wrote:

     

    As a serious cape related question.. How many capes actually cost less than the Black ? A quick scan through uk.farnell.com suggests not many, so I wonder how the Black will affect the cape ecosystem.

    There are quite a few sub-US$45 capes at http://boardzoo.com.  Cheap ones tend to be things like proto boards and RS-232RS-232 interfaces.  I hope that BBone Black will drive down the prices of capes through volume.

     

    Incidentally, I rather like blue LEDs.  But then I lived through the 1980s when blue LEDs were the "holy grail" of optoelectronics -- you could have any color up to green.  Maybe you can convert your hated blue LEDs to yellow by dabbing on a bit of phosphor -- that's how cheap "white" LEDs are made.

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  • gdstew
    gdstew over 12 years ago in reply to johnbeetem

    You might want to check out http://www.adafruit.com. They have a proto cape for the BeagleBone at US$8.99. The connector headers need to

    be soldered in (they are included). I'm not sure about the quality (double sided FR4)  but adafruit tends to have good products. It is also sold by

    MCM electronics http://www.mcmelectronics.com.

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  • gdstew
    gdstew over 12 years ago in reply to johnbeetem

    You might want to check out http://www.adafruit.com. They have a proto cape for the BeagleBone at US$8.99. The connector headers need to

    be soldered in (they are included). I'm not sure about the quality (double sided FR4)  but adafruit tends to have good products. It is also sold by

    MCM electronics http://www.mcmelectronics.com.

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