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Where to start for an easy intro to FPGAs?

Fred27
Fred27 over 6 years ago

I'm sure this is one of those questions that is going to have more opinion that definitive answer, but I'm going to ask it anyway. I've not done anything with FPGAs. I know what they are and what they can do. I know that they're a bit of a shift in mindset for someone who's used to coding for a microcontroller. I'm at the same stage that I'm sure many people are. I want to find out if FPGAs are the sort of thing that I want to get into or not. To dip my toe in the water so to speak.

 

The trouble is there are a lot of manufacturers who seem to have their own tool chains and programming approaches. It's tricky picking one to start with. There are road tests of a few on here but to be honest they all sound hard and are difficult to compare. Has anyone got advice on where to start? I suppose my priorities are:

 

  • Once I pick a manufacturer I want to stick with it. Jumping from one to another will just make it harder.
  • It would be hopefully easy to get the basics. I don't need raw power right now. Being able to create a microcontroller core is great, but will only confuse me at this stage.
  • The option of a SoC alongside a microcontroller would be a nice option for later, but once again I don't need it right now.
  • Reasonably cheap. It doesn't have to be the cheapest, but this may be a dead end experience so I'd prefer 10s rather than 100s of £/$.

 

Right now I was thinking of waiting see how the pans out for those selected, and to learn from their experience. However, any opinions are welcome

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  • genebren
    genebren over 6 years ago +8 suggested
    David, You might want to look at CPLD's first. They are very much the same as FPGA, but smaller (#gates and #pins). They are typically programmed with the same tools and languages as FPGAs. I started with…
  • michaelkellett
    michaelkellett over 6 years ago +8 suggested
    If you want to learn about FPGAs then don't mess with CPLDs. The CoolRunners are ancient (15 year old designs). There are 4 major players in the FPGA business, Xilinx, Intel (was Altera), Lattice and Microsemi…
  • michaelkellett
    michaelkellett over 6 years ago in reply to neuromodulator +8 suggested
    Lots of interesting points - I'm off on a long weekend hol so not enough time to cover them all but I'll have a go. There are two primary HDL (Hardware Definition Languages), Verilog and VHDL. They both…
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    0 johnbeetem over 6 years ago

    I'm afraid there's no "easy introduction" to FPGAs at this time -- at least I don't know of one.  We had a good discussion here about this a couple of years ago: Barriers to designing with FPGAs?  I don't think much has changed.  I see the primary barrier as the steep learning curve, which I sometimes call the "The Cliffs of Insanity".  You have to be pretty motivated to face that climb.

     

    Professionally, I've mostly designed using Xilinx.  I started serious FPGA design with Spartan-II and ISE 5.2, which was quite simple compared to the later versions.  My favorite Xilinx family is Spartan-3A, which is relatively simple but very powerful.  Unfortunately, the Spartan-3A has passed its peak.  Spartan-6 is very powerful and has excellent price/performance, but it's very complex so I wouldn't recommend it for a novice.

     

    I'd check out Lattice iCE40.  It's a very simple architecture with 4-input look-up tables, kind of like the early Xilinx chips before they added (useful!) bells and whistles.  You can get a Lattice iCEstick for US$20-25 which has a decent size iCE40, a built-in programmer, LEDs, and 0.1" headers for your experiments.  It's a good way to get started.  A huge advantage of iCE40 is that it has the open-source IceStorm tool suite so you don't need to download a huge program from Lattice.  I've only used IceStorm for iCE40 design so I don't know what the Lattice tools are like.  I watched Clifford Wolf's demo of how much faster IceStorm tools are.

     

    To a certain extent, you can just program FPGAs at the Verilog or VHDL level and let the tools worry about the details.  However, at some point you'll need to understand the FPGA architecture enough to make sense of the error messages.  I've read of people doing Spartan-6 design, making a minor VHDL error, and getting baffling error messages about clocks when the design was supposed to have been combinational.  (The Spartan-6 has a separate long reference manual for clocks.)  Having a simpler architecture makes debugging that much simpler.

     

    I'd stay away from CPLDs.  They were very useful in their time (I've done lots of Xilinx XC9572XL designs), but with the low cost and superior capabilities of iCE40 chips there isn't much point to using CPLDs in new designs.

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    0 johnbeetem over 6 years ago

    I'm afraid there's no "easy introduction" to FPGAs at this time -- at least I don't know of one.  We had a good discussion here about this a couple of years ago: Barriers to designing with FPGAs?  I don't think much has changed.  I see the primary barrier as the steep learning curve, which I sometimes call the "The Cliffs of Insanity".  You have to be pretty motivated to face that climb.

     

    Professionally, I've mostly designed using Xilinx.  I started serious FPGA design with Spartan-II and ISE 5.2, which was quite simple compared to the later versions.  My favorite Xilinx family is Spartan-3A, which is relatively simple but very powerful.  Unfortunately, the Spartan-3A has passed its peak.  Spartan-6 is very powerful and has excellent price/performance, but it's very complex so I wouldn't recommend it for a novice.

     

    I'd check out Lattice iCE40.  It's a very simple architecture with 4-input look-up tables, kind of like the early Xilinx chips before they added (useful!) bells and whistles.  You can get a Lattice iCEstick for US$20-25 which has a decent size iCE40, a built-in programmer, LEDs, and 0.1" headers for your experiments.  It's a good way to get started.  A huge advantage of iCE40 is that it has the open-source IceStorm tool suite so you don't need to download a huge program from Lattice.  I've only used IceStorm for iCE40 design so I don't know what the Lattice tools are like.  I watched Clifford Wolf's demo of how much faster IceStorm tools are.

     

    To a certain extent, you can just program FPGAs at the Verilog or VHDL level and let the tools worry about the details.  However, at some point you'll need to understand the FPGA architecture enough to make sense of the error messages.  I've read of people doing Spartan-6 design, making a minor VHDL error, and getting baffling error messages about clocks when the design was supposed to have been combinational.  (The Spartan-6 has a separate long reference manual for clocks.)  Having a simpler architecture makes debugging that much simpler.

     

    I'd stay away from CPLDs.  They were very useful in their time (I've done lots of Xilinx XC9572XL designs), but with the low cost and superior capabilities of iCE40 chips there isn't much point to using CPLDs in new designs.

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