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Where to start for an easy intro to FPGAs?

Fred27
Fred27 over 6 years ago

I'm sure this is one of those questions that is going to have more opinion that definitive answer, but I'm going to ask it anyway. I've not done anything with FPGAs. I know what they are and what they can do. I know that they're a bit of a shift in mindset for someone who's used to coding for a microcontroller. I'm at the same stage that I'm sure many people are. I want to find out if FPGAs are the sort of thing that I want to get into or not. To dip my toe in the water so to speak.

 

The trouble is there are a lot of manufacturers who seem to have their own tool chains and programming approaches. It's tricky picking one to start with. There are road tests of a few on here but to be honest they all sound hard and are difficult to compare. Has anyone got advice on where to start? I suppose my priorities are:

 

  • Once I pick a manufacturer I want to stick with it. Jumping from one to another will just make it harder.
  • It would be hopefully easy to get the basics. I don't need raw power right now. Being able to create a microcontroller core is great, but will only confuse me at this stage.
  • The option of a SoC alongside a microcontroller would be a nice option for later, but once again I don't need it right now.
  • Reasonably cheap. It doesn't have to be the cheapest, but this may be a dead end experience so I'd prefer 10s rather than 100s of £/$.

 

Right now I was thinking of waiting see how the pans out for those selected, and to learn from their experience. However, any opinions are welcome

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  • genebren
    genebren over 6 years ago +8 suggested
    David, You might want to look at CPLD's first. They are very much the same as FPGA, but smaller (#gates and #pins). They are typically programmed with the same tools and languages as FPGAs. I started with…
  • michaelkellett
    michaelkellett over 6 years ago +8 suggested
    If you want to learn about FPGAs then don't mess with CPLDs. The CoolRunners are ancient (15 year old designs). There are 4 major players in the FPGA business, Xilinx, Intel (was Altera), Lattice and Microsemi…
  • michaelkellett
    michaelkellett over 6 years ago in reply to neuromodulator +8 suggested
    Lots of interesting points - I'm off on a long weekend hol so not enough time to cover them all but I'll have a go. There are two primary HDL (Hardware Definition Languages), Verilog and VHDL. They both…
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  • neuromodulator
    0 neuromodulator over 6 years ago

    I've also wanted to learn FPGA programming but I've found it to be kinda hard as there doesn't seem to be an agreed on good way to learn how to program them. I've found many tutorials in the net that teach VHDL/Verilog, but I feel like they give examples, show results, but don't explain any further. In the end I feel like they teach HDL recipes more than teaching how the HDL actually gets synthesized into the logic design. There have been a lot of FPGA roadtests, but I've felt a bit intimidated to apply to a roadtest as I'm not sure I would be able to deliver it in-time. On the other side I've seen that most FPGA roadtesters appear to dodge the HDL completly, and stick to the visual programming languages or soft/hard CPU programming in their reviews.

     

    I have also many questions about FPGAs, so I'll add a few myself in case any of the experts wants to answer them:

     

    - There appear to be many different languages that can be used on FPGA, besides the HDL, what is each of the languages good for? When should I use one language in opposition to another one?

    - When it comes to HDL, I've read that code could synthesise for one FPGA and not synthesise for another one, how hard is it to make HDL portable? Would programming in portable HDL make it inefficient to the point that its not worth the hassle?

    - I keep reading that tools are very complex and all that, I don't really understand how a tool could make such a great difference when the HDL is not tool dependent (or is it?). Could someone elaborate on that? (as an analogy, learning a computer language is what is hard, switching between IDEs is quite straightforward as much as you keep the same language. Why is it so different with FPGAs?)

    - What are FPGAs actually good at? What kind of tasks are FPGA the only good alternative? It appears to me that they are mostly good at I/O stuff (multiple or fast DACs, ADCs). I've seen some claims on FPGAs being good at some computational tasks, but I've also seen some others claiming that they are not that great anymore.

    - How hard is it to debug them? I've read some claims about debugging timing issues being super hard and requiring an excessive amount of time and patience. Considering that time is money, one would leave the FPGAs as a last resort alternative, as it could increase the product development time considerably if it is that slow to program and debug them.

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    0 Fred27 over 6 years ago in reply to neuromodulator

    Some good questions neuromodulator. How to debug is a particularly good one. I assumed that just like building a physical circuit it would require exposing a test point of the circuit to a physical pin and using oscilloscope, logic analyser or LED.

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    0 Fred27 over 6 years ago in reply to neuromodulator

    Some good questions neuromodulator. How to debug is a particularly good one. I assumed that just like building a physical circuit it would require exposing a test point of the circuit to a physical pin and using oscilloscope, logic analyser or LED.

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