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technolomaniac
technolomaniac over 8 years ago

Hi All --

 

Moving this to a separate thread so it doesn't get lost in the ether.  Here's my two cents on licensing and I'd love your feedback:

 

Firstly, the Autodesk licensing model is subscription and the EAGLE paid license will require that you install the SW and then generate an account to retrieve your license entitlement.  Once you have this, you are good to go and the SW will run as expected.  If you lose your network connection, the SW has a 14-day heartbeat that will enable you to work offline for 14 days.  I know that some folks would prefer to never have to connect, but this is required to support a monthly subscription model that can be selectively enabled and disabled when you use the SW (so you only pay when you use it).  The total cost of ownership for those folks using it less than a few weeks a year will thus be substantially lower and still enables you to access the full software for less money.  <Insert revolt here>  image

 

WRT to "what happens if autodesk decides to one day just shut off the license server?" ...ok, sure, that's possible, but so is a reality TV star becoming President of the..cough...nevermind, bad example.

 

Point is, that's a pretty remote possibility (think: time travel and alien invasions) and it wouldn't benefit us *at all* to upset the users we just spent real money hoping to bring into autodesk and earn their business.  As the guy with both development and P&L for the product, I can tell you that it's counterintuitive and wouldn't benefit us at all.  We know this.  We make SW used by governments, movie studios, game developers, MEs, Civil Engineers, machinists, etc. and you can bet that shutting down a license server is not to our benefit in any of these categories.  To demonstrate this behavior in one category, without a path for user SW and data, calls into question ALL of our tools' viability under this model.  Not helpful.

 

Now...a question was raised about "but what if I drop my subscription and I want my data".  Awesome, the data is yours and lives on your machine.  And for SW that stores data in the cloud (we have some of these) we always provide a path to your data.  If this again fails with one product, it puts all of the others up for discussion.  Again, not helpful.  (Read:  strategy = doomed).

 

"So what about needing an entitlement for the freeware to open the data I created in another version (a *paid* version) and reading it?  What if I want access and I dont want the 14-day time out?"

 

So here's the deal...We can do better here.  So we will.  Here's my commitment to the group here for freeware that ensures you always have a license that you can fall back on without need of internet connection *except when you first install it* (which after all, you would have had to get it in the first place):  in version 8.1 or 8.0.1 or whathaveyou (let's call it 'a future release'), if you install the SW and authenticate once, we'll remove the timer req.  So what I'm saying another way is, the freeware will require you to login the first time to get your license, but if you log out beyond that, you're good.  You got your entitlement and you can use it freely without connection.

 

Caveat:  to install an update, you will need to login.  The update server (which issues the new version...e.g. 8.1 or 8.2. or 8.0.1, etc.) requires that you login and get the update, but beyond that, logout.  Thus if you want to go off-grid in a mountain cabin somewhere, get your license at Starbucks (blagh! I understand they have 'free' wifi, but no frappucinos!  ...that stuff is bad for you) then get your license and go on your merry way up to the snow drenched peaks.  When you hear from the other mountaineers or your local yodeler that a new version of EAGLE is available...download, login, get your license, get your 'decaf double-pump vanilla non-fat latte macchiato' and head back up the slopes.

 

Point being, we can do the freeware better.  So we will.

 

Hope this is clear.  Let us know if you have questions!

 

Best regards,

 

Matt Berggren

Director - Autodesk

@technolomaniac

hackaday.io/matt

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  • COMPACT
    COMPACT over 8 years ago in reply to autodeskguest +4
    Not to worry, it's back to the Drawing board for me.
  • shabaz
    shabaz over 8 years ago +3
    Hi Matt, When will the EAGLE Maker version (or another solution for hobbiests) be v8-ready? I see the subscription for 'EAGLE Standard' and 'EAGLE Premium' are now available on the website, but not EAGLE…
  • albertovignati
    albertovignati over 8 years ago in reply to techsupport +3
    Il 21/02/2017 22:54, Ed Robledo ha scritto: The customers are the sole driving force to the improvements to EAGLE. Some of these 'wants' take time to be done right, that's the reason they were not done…
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  • Joop14
    Joop14 over 8 years ago

    http://www.altium.com/eagle-switch/altium-designer/

     

    It was just a matter of time...

     

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  • rachaelp
    rachaelp over 8 years ago in reply to Joop14

    Joop14 wrote:

     

    http://www.altium.com/eagle-switch/altium-designer/

     

    It was just a matter of time...

     

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    I have to think that not many EAGLE users would be in a position to take up that offer. Even with the 40% off its going to be over $5000 and that only comes with one year of support and updates. After the first year you'd need to pay another $1500/year for a maintenance contract for support and updates. If you don't keep up on maintenance payments you'd likely be stung for back payments if you ever did need to update so realistically, most professional users are going to want to take that option rather than risk getting stuck with a problem and having to find a lot of money to get back onto maintenance in a hurry.

     

    The people who will go for this would be those who were considering it anyway because they regularly do high end boards and the additional features of Altium would be a benefit but the full price was too much for them to swallow. For the majority of smaller companies the cost of Altium and the ongoing support cost is still likely too much. Yes Altium has some really nice features but EAGLE's really easy to use and can do moderately complex boards quickly and easy enough such that the step up to Altium isn't justified by the cost. If EAGLE adds better routing features then this need even for high end boards may be reduced.

     

    So for the $500/year for an EAGLE Premium subscription, I could buy this for at least 10 years for the equivalent of the promotional price of Altium and for that I get 10 years of support. If I factor in the cost of maintenance I could have 4 EAGLE seats for the same price as 1 Altium seat in that 10 year period. Now, I know there is an issue with no perpetual license but in one of Matt Berggrens posts he stated that they would give an equivalent v7 license to fall back on with v8 subscriptions and a promise to ensure that a design could always be saved in a completely v7 compliant format so we then have a way to use EAGLE perpetually (See here: https://www.element14.com/community/thread/58485/l/eagle-license-recommendat-ion)

     

    Best Regards,

     

    Rachael

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  • brentbolton
    brentbolton over 8 years ago in reply to techsupport

    I'm not a hobbyist, I design and build things for a living. As part of that I use lots of tool chains, not just my EagleCAD. I may go for a year or more without using a particular tool, but when I need one I want it available. If I had to pay a $500 annual subscription on every software tool I use I would quickly go out of business. A subscription license model fits a certain profile of user, no doubt. I don't fit that profile. There is absolutely no reason that Autodesk can't offer both subscription and perpetual licenses, other than they must know that most EagleCAD users would opt for the latter and their Eagle division would not be able to extract maximum revenue. Sad, as everyone knows what eventually happens to businesses that prioritize their revenue stream over serving their customers. Frankly a pcb design tool that doesn't do simulation is not bleeding edge technology and hasn't been for a long time. It doesn't matter how much you "improve" it, it's still just a schematic capture and layout tool, perhaps with a prettier UI. If you want to add exotic simulation capabilities to that, great, but get your revenues from things like that that are truly improvements.


    Brent

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  • autodeskguest
    autodeskguest over 8 years ago in reply to autodeskguest

    On 22.02.2017 18:07, Jorge Garcia wrote:

    The new forum from Autodesk, is very nice. Definitely a lot better than

    E-14 but I know that's not saying much.

    If it is better than E-14, then it certainly has a NNTP gateway, just

    as your forums have. Right?

    Forums without NNTP are too time-consuming to follow.

     

     

    Regards,

     

    Dietmar

     

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  • autodeskguest
    autodeskguest over 8 years ago in reply to autodeskguest

    On 22.02.2017 18:07, Jorge Garcia wrote:

    The new forum from Autodesk, is very nice. Definitely a lot better than

    E-14 but I know that's not saying much.

    If it is better than E-14, then it certainly has a NNTP gateway, just

    as your forums have. Right?

    Forums without NNTP are too time-consuming to follow.

     

     

    Regards,

     

    Dietmar

     

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  • rachaelp
    rachaelp over 8 years ago in reply to brentbolton

    Brent Bolton wrote on Wed, 22 February 2017 19:06

    I'm not a hobbyist, I design and build things for a living. As part of

    that I use lots of tool chains, not just my EagleCAD. I may go for a year

    or more without using a particular tool, but when I need one I want it

    available. If I had to pay a $500 annual subscription on every software

    tool I use I would quickly go out of business. A subscription license

    model fits a certain profile of user, no doubt. I don't fit that profile.

     

     

    Hi Brett,

     

    From what you are saying it actually sounds like the subscription fits you

    perfectly. When you don't need it you don't keep your subscription going

    but when you want it again you simply renew your subscription online at the

    level you need for the project you are about to undertake. You don't need

    to spend $500 per year to keep the subscription going if you aren't going

    to use it.... If you need it for a month or two ever year or so then it's

    only going to be costing you $65 to $130 when you need it assuming Premium

    or if you only need to do a small 4 layer board then, well it's only going

    to be $15 to $30, well short of the $500/year...

     

    Best Regards,

     

    Rachael

     

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  • rachaelp
    rachaelp over 8 years ago in reply to rachaelp

    rachaelp wrote on Wed, 22 February 2017 21:43

    Hi Brett,

     

     

    Hi Brent,

     

    I also apologise for calling you Brett in my last message!

     

    Best Regards,

     

    Rachael

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  • brentbolton
    brentbolton over 8 years ago in reply to rachaelp

    Hi Rachael

     

    Brett or Brent, no problem. Anyway, as always the devil is in the details. While I could do as you say, a more typical usage scenario for me is that I don't use the tool for a couple of months, then a customer calls me up with a question or a minor change and I need the tool for half an hour. It would be really annoying to have to go online and spend a half hour renewing for a half hour of work, not to mention paying for a full month. The bottom line for me is that you need to listen to your customers. If only half the people on this forum are screaming about the license, and I think it's more than that, then you've made that amount of your customer base angry at you. That's never a good business strategy. I plan to stay angry with Autodesk until they change the license, and maybe after that if it doesn't happen promptly. I should also remind you that designers like me don't necessarily stay in one CAD silo. I do mechanical design as well, have used Autodesk tools, and used to have a favorable opinion of the company. Not any more. After Cadence bought OrCAD and screwed me over on a subsequent project, also over a license issue, I made it company policy to never do business with Cadence. That policy still stands. Would Autodesk like to join that party?

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  • rachaelp
    rachaelp over 8 years ago in reply to brentbolton

    Brent Bolton wrote on Wed, 22 February 2017 22:13

    Hi Rachael

     

    Brett or Brent, no problem. Anyway, as always the devil is in the

    details. While I could do as you say, a more typical usage scenario for

    me is that I don't use the tool for a couple of months, then a customer

    calls me up with a question or a minor change and I need the tool for

    half an hour. It would be really annoying to have to go online and spend

    a half hour renewing for a half hour of work, not to mention paying for a

    full month. The bottom line for me is that you need to listen to your

    customers. If only half the people on this forum are screaming about the

    license, and I think it's more than that, then you've made that amount of

    your customer base angry at you. That's never a good business strategy. I

    plan to stay angry with Autodesk until they change the license, and maybe

    after that if it doesn't happen promptly. I should also remind you that

    designers like me don't necessarily stay in one CAD silo. I do mechanical

    design as well, have used Autodesk tools, and used to have a favorable

    opinion of the company. Not any more. After Cadence bought OrCAD and

    screwed me over on a subsequent project, also over a license issue, I

    made it company policy to never do business with Cadence. That policy

    still stands. Would Autodesk like to join that party?

     

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    Hi Brent,

     

    Just a quick FYI, I don't work for Autodesk.... It seems I am getting

    mistaken for an Autodesk employee a lot these days.... I am an EAGLE user

    just like you. I just happen to not mind the new licensing so much....

     

    Best Regards,

     

    Rachael

     

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  • rachaelp
    rachaelp over 8 years ago in reply to brentbolton

    Brent Bolton wrote on Wed, 22 February 2017 22:13

    Hi Rachael

     

    Brett or Brent, no problem. Anyway, as always the devil is in the

    details. While I could do as you say, a more typical usage scenario for

    me is that I don't use the tool for a couple of months, then a customer

    calls me up with a question or a minor change and I need the tool for

    half an hour. It would be really annoying to have to go online and spend

    a half hour renewing for a half hour of work, not to mention paying for a

    full month. The bottom line for me is that you need to listen to your

    customers. If only half the people on this forum are screaming about the

    license, and I think it's more than that, then you've made that amount of

    your customer base angry at you. That's never a good business strategy. I

    plan to stay angry with Autodesk until they change the license, and maybe

    after that if it doesn't happen promptly. I should also remind you that

    designers like me don't necessarily stay in one CAD silo. I do mechanical

    design as well, have used Autodesk tools, and used to have a favorable

    opinion of the company. Not any more. After Cadence bought OrCAD and

    screwed me over on a subsequent project, also over a license issue, I

    made it company policy to never do business with Cadence. That policy

    still stands. Would Autodesk like to join that party?

     

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    Hi Brent,

     

    Just a quick FYI, I don't work for Autodesk.... It seems I am getting

    mistaken for an Autodesk employee a lot these days.... I am an EAGLE user

    just like you. I just happen to not mind the new licensing so much....

     

    Best Regards,

     

    Rachael

     

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  • rachaelp
    rachaelp over 8 years ago in reply to brentbolton

    Brent Bolton wrote on Wed, 22 February 2017 22:13

    a more typical usage scenario for me is that I don't use the tool for a

    couple of months, then a customer calls me up with a question or a minor

    change and I need the tool for half an hour. It would be really annoying

    to have to go online and spend a half hour renewing for a half hour of

    work, not to mention paying for a full month.

     

     

    Also, if you just need to check something then you can open and view in the

    freeware version just fine. If the changes are minor (even if they are not

    that minor) you could just do them in a v7 licensed EAGLE which no doubt

    you will have hanging around still.

     

    Best Regards,

     

    Rachael

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  • brentbolton
    brentbolton over 8 years ago in reply to rachaelp

    Yes, I see that now from your earlier posts. It might help if you wrote so as not to sound like an Autodesk employee. I'm glad that the subscription model works for you -- I conceded in an earlier post that it is certainly good for a class of users. And I also said that Autodesk could easily offer both license types, if they wanted. Apparently they don't want to so they may get to join my CAD company no-fly list. You should care about this also, even though you like the new license, as if enough of us leave Eagle and it gets a bad rep in the design community, then Autodesk may just kill it off and you're left without a good CAD solution as well.

     

    Best,
    Brent

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    brentbolton over 8 years ago in reply to rachaelp

    Yes, I see that now from your earlier posts. It might help if you wrote so as not to sound like an Autodesk employee. I'm glad that the subscription model works for you -- I conceded in an earlier post that it is certainly good for a class of users. And I also said that Autodesk could easily offer both license types, if they wanted. Apparently they don't want to so they may get to join my CAD company no-fly list. You should care about this also, even though you like the new license, as if enough of us leave Eagle and it gets a bad rep in the design community, then Autodesk may just kill it off and you're left without a good CAD solution as well.

     

    Best,
    Brent

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  • rachaelp
    rachaelp over 8 years ago in reply to brentbolton

    Brent Bolton wrote:

     

    Yes, I see that now from your earlier posts. It might help if you wrote so as not to sound like an Autodesk employee. I'm glad that the subscription model works for you -- I conceded in an earlier post that it is certainly good for a class of users. And I also said that Autodesk could easily offer both license types, if they wanted. Apparently they don't want to so they may get to join my CAD company no-fly list. You should care about this also, even though you like the new license, as if enough of us leave Eagle and it gets a bad rep in the design community, then Autodesk may just kill it off and you're left without a good CAD solution as well.

     

    Best,
    Brent

    Hi Brent,

     

    Actually if I were to choose I would much prefer the old license model, but it is not going to happen I don't think and what we have now is way better than what Farnell tried to do and at least now there is significant development resources going into improving EAGLE. I could get angry about the licensing but that wont solve anything so I am choosing to be positive about it and move forward. I can mitigate the negatives, and on balance it will cost me about the same as I will just have annual premium subscriptions which, factoring in upgrade cycles previously, works out about the same. Additionally, if I need any short term assistance and need a second license for a few months it works out a lot cheaper as I wont need to buy a complete second license Just a second subscription for a short period.

     

    Bedt Regards,

     

    Rachael

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  • bvwj
    bvwj over 8 years ago in reply to rachaelp

    Rachael,

     

    You are missing the big picture.  Many of us do not believe Eagle can survive under this new licensing model.  Over the years I have moved 4 different companies to Eagle, none of them are interested in the subscription license.  Clearly there are a few of you who can accept the new model, but the question is are there enough of you to keep Eagle alive at Autodesk.  My calculation is no.  They will miss their revenue goals and the project will be abandon.  Their promises of more improvements and backward compatibility are worth exactly as much as their promise 6 months ago that they wouldn't go subscription.

     

    It's our responsibility as business people to evaluate the viability of our suppliers.   Subscription Eagle at Autodesk isn't viable because they won't attract the customers.  The value proposition just isn't there.  They have no defensible market between KiCad and Altium.  Non-subscription Eagle at Autodesk isn't viable because it doesn't match their integrated software as a service goals.  So Eagle is dead.  That is very painful for many of us.  It actually makes me sick in my stomach, but you have to deal with the hard reality.  There is no reason to risk your company's productivity on someone else's fantasy business model even if the community used to be enjoyable.  I think any time spent on v8 is wasted in the long run.

     

    Sorry

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  • Joop14
    Joop14 over 8 years ago in reply to rachaelp

    rachaelp wrote on Wed, 22 February 2017 23:52

    Actually if I were to choose I would much prefer the old license model,

    but it is not going to happen

     

     

    How do you know that? Six months ago they said "It's not going

    subscription".

    You say you are not affiliated to Autodesk but still you sound like you

    have more info than us.

     

    If (almost) nobody takes a subscription, they or the new owner have to

    revert back the license.

    Farnell did it and I believe autodesk or the new owner will do it as well.

    We just have to be more patient than them.

     

     

     

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  • rachaelp
    rachaelp over 8 years ago in reply to Joop14

    Joop_ wrote on Thu, 23 February 2017 07:42

    rachaelp wrote on Wed, 22 February 2017 23:52

    Actually if I were to choose I would much prefer the old license

    model, but it is not going to happen

     

    How do you know that? Six months ago they said "It's not going

    subscription".

    You say you are not affiliated to Autodesk but still you sound like you

    have more info than us.

     

     

    Oh for goodness sake, I know nothing more than anybody else on here! I have

    just read every post here and on other forums and have seen the content and

    tone of the replies from the support guys like Jorge and Ed (whom I do

    trust) and they seem to be indicating that a big U turn by Autodesk is

    unlikely.

     

    Do what you like, I will do what I like, which is to NOT currently buy a

    subscription for v8 until it is a) stable and b) has significant new

    features like the new routing engine. I'm in no hurry, I have v7 and I can

    wait and see how things pan out.

     

    Rachael

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    rachaelp over 8 years ago in reply to Joop14

    Joop_ wrote on Thu, 23 February 2017 07:42

    rachaelp wrote on Wed, 22 February 2017 23:52

    Actually if I were to choose I would much prefer the old license

    model, but it is not going to happen

     

    How do you know that? Six months ago they said "It's not going

    subscription".

    You say you are not affiliated to Autodesk but still you sound like you

    have more info than us.

     

     

    Oh for goodness sake, I know nothing more than anybody else on here! I have

    just read every post here and on other forums and have seen the content and

    tone of the replies from the support guys like Jorge and Ed (whom I do

    trust) and they seem to be indicating that a big U turn by Autodesk is

    unlikely.

     

    Do what you like, I will do what I like, which is to NOT currently buy a

    subscription for v8 until it is a) stable and b) has significant new

    features like the new routing engine. I'm in no hurry, I have v7 and I can

    wait and see how things pan out.

     

    Rachael

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    autodeskguest over 8 years ago in reply to rachaelp

    On 23.02.2017 08:50, Rachael wrote:

    Joop_ wrote on Thu, 23 February 2017 07:42

    rachaelp wrote on Wed, 22 February 2017 23:52

    Actually if I were to choose I would much prefer the old license

    model, but it is not going to happen

     

    How do you know that? Six months ago they said "It's not going

    subscription".

    You say you are not affiliated to Autodesk but still you sound like you

    have more info than us.

     

    Oh for goodness sake, I know nothing more than anybody else on here! I have

    just read every post here and on other forums and have seen the content and

    tone of the replies from the support guys like Jorge and Ed (whom I do

    trust) and they seem to be indicating that a big U turn by Autodesk is

    unlikely.

     

    Do what you like, I will do what I like, which is to NOT currently buy a

    subscription for v8 until it is a) stable and b) has significant new

    features like the new routing engine. I'm in no hurry, I have v7 and I can

    wait and see how things pan out.

     

    Rachael

     

    Rachael, I think they believe you are employed by autodesk/cadsoft

    becase of the amount of messages you put here image Don't you have some

    routing to do? image Yes, when I start to write, I realize I spend quite a

    bit of time on it too!

     

    Joop, there is a link to another forum where a user apparently being

    Matt claimed this. You can find the link somewhere else in this already

    too long thread.

     

     

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    rachaelp over 8 years ago in reply to autodeskguest

    Morten Leikvoll wrote on Thu, 23 February 2017 08:01

    Rachael, I think they believe you are employed by autodesk/cadsoft

    becase of the amount of messages you put here image Don't you have some

    routing to do? :d Yes, when I start to write, I realize I spend quite a

    bit of time on it too!

     

    Yes that's a good point, I do actually have some routing I should go and

    do!

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    autodeskguest over 8 years ago in reply to rachaelp

    Am 22.02.2017 um 23:52 schrieb rachaelp:

     

    Actually if I were to choose I would much prefer the old license model, but it is not going to happen I don't think and what we have now is way better than what Farnell tried to do and at least now there is significant development resources going into improving EAGLE. I could get angry about the licensing but that wont solve anything so I am choosing to be positive about it and move forward. I can mitigate the negatives, and on balance it will cost me about the same as I will just have annual premium subscriptions which, factoring in upgrade cycles previously, works out about the same. Additionally, if I need any short term assistance and need a second license for a few months it works out a lot cheaper as I wont need to buy a complete second license Just a second subscription for a short period.

     

    Bedt Regards,

     

    Rachael

     

     

    I think autodesk have calculated this risk before:

    "If we increase the average price/month about 500%, we can lose ~70% of

    the old users and we earn more money than with that old license model."

     

    This is a typical decision behavior of big companies. Short thinking

    with quarterly financial statements.

     

    The next step is: "If we lose more than 80% we kill this Eagle experiment."

     

    Maybe the over next step of the loyal old users is to start a

    crowdfounding project to buy eagle back from autdesk.

     

    Andreas

     

     

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    Joop14 over 8 years ago in reply to rachaelp

    rachaelp wrote on Thu, 23 February 2017 08:50

    ... and they seem to be indicating that a big U turn by Autodesk is

    unlikely.

     

     

    Unlikely but possible. And ofcourse they want to let believe us it's

    unlikely.

    Keep in mind that they are salesmen. They tell whatever they think is good

    for

    their business and their jobs. You can not trust them.

     

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    Joop14 over 8 years ago in reply to autodeskguest

    Andreas Fecht wrote on Thu, 23 February 2017 09:23

    Maybe the over next step of the loyal old users is to start a

    crowdfounding project to buy eagle back from autdesk.

     

     

    I have been thinking about that as well. First we have to wait for a year

    to make

    autodesk realize their investment is lost.

     

     

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