Eagle upgrade costs

Am 25.02.2017 um 14:46 schrieb Rachael:

perhaps don't like it but equally don't want to throw away years of

experience and investment in their setup, libraries etc. Please have

So if I don't subscribe I'm doomed to throw away my experience,

libraries, setup and so on? Why?

rk wrote on Sat, 25 February 2017 14:20

Am 25.02.2017 um 14:46 schrieb Rachael:

perhaps don't like it but equally don't want to throw away years

of

experience and investment in their setup, libraries etc. Please

have

 

So if I don't subscribe I'm doomed to throw away my experience,

libraries, setup and so on? Why?

You know full well that's not what I was saying. You're just annoyed

because I called you out for calling people stupid.

But to answer your question, no you are not doomed to throw anything away

because you don't subscribe. You can still use the existing version of

EAGLE you have indefinitely. Some people will subscribe, some will stick

with what they have, I'm personally sticking with v7 and waiting until I

see how things progress, other people are however actively migrating to

other packages. Each to their own, everybody has to do what is right for

them and calling people stupid for their choice isn't really on.

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rk wrote on Sat, 25 February 2017 14:20

Am 25.02.2017 um 14:46 schrieb Rachael:

perhaps don't like it but equally don't want to throw away years

of

experience and investment in their setup, libraries etc. Please

have

 

So if I don't subscribe I'm doomed to throw away my experience,

libraries, setup and so on? Why?

You know full well that's not what I was saying. You're just annoyed

because I called you out for calling people stupid.

But to answer your question, no you are not doomed to throw anything away

because you don't subscribe. You can still use the existing version of

EAGLE you have indefinitely. Some people will subscribe, some will stick

with what they have, I'm personally sticking with v7 and waiting until I

see how things progress, other people are however actively migrating to

other packages. Each to their own, everybody has to do what is right for

them and calling people stupid for their choice isn't really on.

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On Fri, 24 Feb 2017 16:20:54 +0000 (UTC), Uwe Bonnes

<bon@hertz.ikp.physik.tu-darmstadt.de> wrote:

levafreidin <noreply-59652@element14.com> wrote:

...

Can you recommend the adequate replacement of EAGLE?

 

Use an eagle Versiin below 8 ...

Be sure to use the Linux version.  The commercial OS vendors will ease

your version right out from under you in a couple of years.

The Linux philosophy is not to break things.  I use Ubuntu Linux and

have Eagle 4, 5, 6 and 7 installed on Rev 16.04 LTS.

Really though, you're better off using a package under active

development that will keep up with OS changes.  My new choice is

KiCAD.

John

John DeArmond

http://www.neon-john.com

http://www.tnduction.com

Tellico Plains, Occupied TN

See website for email address

On Sat, 25 Feb 2017 13:46:15 +0000, Rachael <rachael@rachellie.co.uk>

wrote:

You can choose to deal with the changes in EAGLE licensing how you see fit

for your situation, but you are not in any position to brand other people

stupid because they don't necessarily agree with your point of view. Many

perhaps don't like it but equally don't want to throw away years of

experience and investment in their setup, libraries etc. Please have

respect for the opinions of others.

I'm too polite to use the word "stupid" but I think that people who

rely on an AutoDesk product that AutoDesk has bought are using poor

judgement.  AutoDesk is famous for buying up little companies and if

they don't "make the numbers", killing them off after sucking out

their guts.

With the mass migration away from Eagle that this rental scheme is

causing, there is no way I'm going to trust Eagle to make the numbers

and be around for the long haul.  I have to have something that both I

and my customers can rely on.

John

John DeArmond

http://www.neon-john.com

http://www.tnduction.com

Tellico Plains, Occupied TN

See website for email address

On 02/25/2017 06:04 AM, rachaelp wrote:

Guillaume barrey wrote:

 

So in my humble opinion, it's urgent to do nothing drastic.

I agree with this totally. v7 works well and can still be a good tool for many years to come.

 

Guillaume barrey wrote:

 

Anyway, I do not have any trust in cadsoft/Autodesk now, and even they go back to the previous licensing scheme, I think I will not pay any Euro or whatever to them.

...

If Autodesk corporate have a change in policy and start to allow other licensing types again then things might change for the better and if a really excellent newer version of EAGLE came out that you could get a perpetual license for then you might find yourself in a situation where upgrading to it was the smart business decision and then you too would have to do a complete u-turn and eat a slice of humble pie

Good morning, Rachael,

Humble pie?  Well... not really.  If one could get a perpetual license,

then it would not be a u-turn.  It would be a return to terms that have

been acceptable for decades.

If there's one thing that my attorneys have drilled into me over the

course of time is that everything is negotiable - everything.  I

occasionally joke that everything I own is for sale for the right price,

except my wife and my dogs - and on certain days we can talk about the

wife.  On a more realistic note, I'm sure that if one were to walk into

Autodesk HQ and offer $500,000 in exchange for a perpetual license with

unlimited updates, Autodesk would find a way to do it.  Perhaps that

wouldn't be enough... Perhaps a new personal jet for the Board would do

it.  I'm not talking about a bribe; instead I'm referring to an

equitable exchange of value.  I provide this, and in exchange they

provide that.

Autodesk might make a counter offer.  It's all negotiable.

Much of the license chatter stems from the unilateral action Autodesk

took in changing to a subscription based license.  In doing so, they did

not break any contracts.  Nobody was legally bound to acquire a

subscription.   The existing agreements applied strictly to the major

version under which it was issued.  I say that the subscription action

was "unilateral" - more precisely, it was a different way of doing

business starting with V8, and is entirely within their prerogative to

do so.

Now, can anyone honestly claim that they truly didn't think this would

happen, even after knowing that nearly every other product offered by

Autodesk is on a subscription basis, and even despite what Matt claimed

back in July?  The minute I learned that Autodesk bought Eagle, I knew

that it was only a matter of time before they wrapped their subscription

business model around it.

Nonetheless, Autodesk has a real public relations problem.  They

unexpectedly made the announcement with the introduction of a new major

revision.  They didn't offer any transition path for existing

customers.  They just made a press release.  Boom!  It's out there.  I'm

sure it's not unlike that which they faced when moving other products to

a subscription, and thus it is nothing new to them.  The noise will pass...

I really expect that soon Eagle will no longer be called "Eagle".  I

expect Autodesk will rebranded it.   Rebranding is most likely already

in the works.  Quite frankly, I'm surprised it didn't happen with V8 -

that would have been the better PR move.

As for a reasonable transition, perhaps a perpetual license should have

been made available exclusively to existing customers to ease the

transition.  Something like: for the first year, offer existing

customers of 4 years or more (again, negotiable) perpetual licenses.

That would cover customers that have a significant investment in

designs.  While Autodesk would miss the subscription revenue from this

customer set, they would have more than made up for it with PR.

As it is now, they have high-end engineers around the world that have

used Eagle for a long time (some for decades), that really don't have

anything positive to say.

Rachael, Like you, I'm sticking with the perpetual license for v7.  When

I face a project that exceeds its capability, I will have to consider a

move to a different ECAD solution.

Best regards,

    - Chuck

Thank you!

I have V7.7, it works under Win7 and Win10, so I will follow you:

I will stay with EAGLE till it works, after that - switch to KiCAD.

      Thanks again. 

                   Sincerely yours,

                              Lev Freidin.

John,

I'm trying to get my eagle version 4.13 running on Ubuntu 16.04 LTS on a 64b machine, but the window area with the schematic and board layout is blank, no matter what I do.  I did get the transparency issue resolved, but the inability to make anything appear in the work area window remains.  It appears to be a Ubuntu 16 issue as I do have an older machine running Ubuntu 14.04 and it is OK..  I wondered if you had that problem, and if so, what you did to fix it.   (I've tried all sorts of things I've found online having to do with the 32bit libs, but no success.)

As far as upgrade goes--my paid version 4.13 is quite satisfactory for what I do (retired, hobbyist).  It produces what I want for the boards and the notion of no additional cost for eagle upgrades just doesn't offer anything.  (In my experience, software upgrades offer the hope of something better, but instead replace of old, known problems with new problems yet to be discovered.)  Kicad is attractive, but I can hit the right keys with my eagle 4.1 automatically without looking/thinking so continuing with eagle 4.1 (and not a later version!) is quite desirable.

On 24/03/2017 6:40 a.m., Don Haselwood wrote:

John,

 

I'm trying to get my eagle version 4.13 running on Ubuntu 16.04 LTS on a 64b machine, but the window area with the schematic and board layout is blank, no matter what I do.  I did get the transparency issue resolved, but the inability to make anything appear in the work area window remains.  It appears to be a Ubuntu 16 issue as I do have an older machine running Ubuntu 14.04 and it is OK..  I wondered if you had that problem, and if so, what you did to fix it.   (I've tried all sorts of things I've found online having to do with the 32bit libs, but no success.)

 

As far as upgrade goes--my paid version 4.13 is quite satisfactory for what I do (retired, hobbyist).  It produces what I want for the boards and the notion of no additional cost for eagle upgrades just doesn't offer anything.  (In my experience, software upgrades offer the hope of something better, but instead replace of old, known problems with new problems yet to be discovered.)  Kicad is attractive, but I can hit the right keys with my eagle 4.1 automatically without looking/thinking so continuing with eagle 4.1 (and not a later version!) is quite desirable.

 

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Hi Don

Start by downloading the last point version of Eagle V4 (4.16r2) as your

licence qualifies you for it.

ftp://ftp.cadsoft.de/eagle/program/4.16r2/

Then, I suspect there are some missing linux drivers that you will need

to locate. This has been a problem from time to time.

Others may be able to give you an exact answer.

Failing that search the forum. I suspect E14 is not the place to do

that. Search eagle central but let google do the heavy lifting when you

have multpile works you wish to search for. e.g

site:eaglecentral.ca  "linux drivers" "missing"

HTH

Warren

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On 24/03/2017 6:40 a.m., Don Haselwood wrote:

John,

 

I'm trying to get my eagle version 4.13 running on Ubuntu 16.04 LTS on a 64b machine, but the window area with the schematic and board layout is blank, no matter what I do.  I did get the transparency issue resolved, but the inability to make anything appear in the work area window remains.  It appears to be a Ubuntu 16 issue as I do have an older machine running Ubuntu 14.04 and it is OK..  I wondered if you had that problem, and if so, what you did to fix it.   (I've tried all sorts of things I've found online having to do with the 32bit libs, but no success.)

 

As far as upgrade goes--my paid version 4.13 is quite satisfactory for what I do (retired, hobbyist).  It produces what I want for the boards and the notion of no additional cost for eagle upgrades just doesn't offer anything.  (In my experience, software upgrades offer the hope of something better, but instead replace of old, known problems with new problems yet to be discovered.)  Kicad is attractive, but I can hit the right keys with my eagle 4.1 automatically without looking/thinking so continuing with eagle 4.1 (and not a later version!) is quite desirable.

 

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Hi Don

Start by downloading the last point version of Eagle V4 (4.16r2) as your

licence qualifies you for it.

ftp://ftp.cadsoft.de/eagle/program/4.16r2/

Then, I suspect there are some missing linux drivers that you will need

to locate. This has been a problem from time to time.

Others may be able to give you an exact answer.

Failing that search the forum. I suspect E14 is not the place to do

that. Search eagle central but let google do the heavy lifting when you

have multpile works you wish to search for. e.g

site:eaglecentral.ca  "linux drivers" "missing"

HTH

Warren

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... or http://www.eaglecentral.ca browser access to CadSoft EAGLE

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