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Temperature sensor to measure surface temperature compatible with Raspberry Pi

kas.lewis
kas.lewis over 7 years ago

Hello All,

 

I am looking for a temperature sensor that I can use to monitor the temperature of a surface with a raspberry pi. With no A/D on board the choices seem limited added to this is the need to find something that I can connect to a surface easily is not helping. Any ideas or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

 

I was thinking of using a thermopile facing the surface but I cant seem to finf one that as a simple to use output (unclear data sheets aren't helping)

 

Thanks

Kas

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  • shabaz
    shabaz over 7 years ago +2 suggested
    Hi Kas, bwelsby and I did some fairly extensive (at the time) tests on the Pi 3, we used a thermistor and also examined the in-built measurement. The information is dotted in multiple posts and comments…
  • shabaz
    shabaz over 7 years ago +2 suggested
    Just re-reading, I may have misunderstood your requirement. If you're measuring the temperature of a different surface (i.e. not the Pi) then similar comments may apply, or you may need a different method…
  • shabaz
    shabaz over 7 years ago in reply to kas.lewis +2 suggested
    Hi Kas, For low thermal mass perhaps a very small SMD sized silicon sensor, or a thermocouple or thermistor or RTD as you say with small size. If you want to use on of the latter devices, then you'll need…
  • shabaz
    0 shabaz over 7 years ago

    Hi Kas,

     

    bwelsby and I did some fairly extensive (at the time) tests on the Pi 3, we used a thermistor and also examined the in-built measurement.

    The information is dotted in multiple posts and comments though:

    See here Raspberry Pi 3 Dynamic Current Consumption, Power and Temperature Tests

    and Raspberry Pi temperature and cooling testing Part 1 initial tests.

    Raspberry Pi 3 temperature and cooling testing Part 2 with a HAT tests.

    Raspberry Pi 3 Cooling / Heat Sink Ideas

     

    As you say, there is no ADC so that makes it a bit awkward. An option is to attach one (SPI or I2C for example) or use a multimeter and pen/paper, if you're capturing data over slower periods. The thermistor was a bead, so I drilled a hole for it (in heatsink).

    An alternative could be an RTD device (e.g. PT100), they are also tiny and some have a flat surface, so you could tape it onto the chip.

    You could use a larger semiconductor device (e.g. TO-92 package) but they have a slow thermal response.

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    0 shabaz over 7 years ago

    Just re-reading, I may have misunderstood your requirement.

    If you're measuring the temperature of a different surface (i.e. not the Pi) then similar comments may apply, or you may need a different method (e.g. thermocouple) depending on the expected temperature of the target surface.

    One example method is here, connected to the Pi:

    Temperature Measurement for Lab and Science Projects

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    0 kas.lewis over 7 years ago in reply to shabaz

    shabaz,

     

    Thank you for the information in your blog. I was hoping to find something a bit simpler/cheaper. I am looking to sense the temperature of a wall in two locations. If I need to of these then the cost begins to climb quickly. If you have any further suggestions that would be great, I was looking at RTDs and then use an RTD to Digital board (Not much cheaper I guess) and was wondering if you or anyone else had any thoughts on this type of setup.

     


    Kas

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  • beacon_dave
    0 beacon_dave over 7 years ago in reply to kas.lewis

    How about a DS18B20 one wire type digital sensor ?

     

    Product LinkProduct Link

     

    https://www.element14.com/community/community/stem-academy/blog/2014/12/13/raspberry-pi--ds18b20-temperature-sensor

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  • dougw
    0 dougw over 7 years ago

    There are many I2C sensors that could be used:

    TMP102

    MCP9808

    Si705x

     

    or spi sensors

    LM74

    MAX6662

    DS1722

    TC77

     

    etc

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    0 kas.lewis over 7 years ago in reply to dougw

    Thank you for the information, Those are all great suggestions but I was hoping for a more complete solution especially for surface sensing. Something that has low thermal mass. But I think your suggestions have put me back on track and let me see that high cost/complete solution may not be needed.

     

    Kas

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    0 kas.lewis over 7 years ago in reply to beacon_dave

    Thank you.

     

    Kas

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    0 shabaz over 7 years ago in reply to kas.lewis

    Hi Kas,

     

    For low thermal mass perhaps a very small SMD sized silicon sensor, or a thermocouple or thermistor or RTD as you say with small size. If you want to use on of the latter devices, then you'll need an ADC, and you could use the same ADC as in the project mentioned earlier, since they are available on a PCB at low cost from ebay, it is the ADS1118. Here is an example one: ADS1118 16-bit AD Converter ADC SPI Communication Module Development Board | eBay

    RTDs are available as small flat devices, so could be taped onto a wall for example. Another approach could be non-contact IR thermal sensing.

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